Trinity Doctrine Always Taught - Never Discovered by Only Reading the Bible

[2timothy316]

I came across a very interesting read.
https://www.trinityexamined.com/why-no- ... initarian/

It is a VERY long explanation as to why one person abandoned the trinity doctrine. There is one particular sentence that really stood out.

"No one today became a Trinitarian from reading the Bible alone. The doctrine of the Trinity is “learned theology.” So if you are a Trinitarian, just like myself, you didn’t learn this doctrine from the Bible."

Is there anyone out there who by just reading the Bible alone and no outside influence teaching them the trinity, became a trinitarian? Please post on this thread if you have. I'd like to know how you came to conclusion that God is a triune God. If you were taught the trinity and didn't come by it on your own, then I'm not looking for a discussion with you.

[MissKate13]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #23]

Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one. There is much evidence for this throughout Scripture. If the only Bible study you ever did was through the lenses of Jehovah’s Witnesses, then it’s understandable that you believe as you do. However, if you or anyone wants to understand the Scriptures, they must approach them with an open mind and honest heart. That’s very hard to do, but with sincere prayer, asking the Lordto show us HIS truth and not ours, our leaders or anyone else’s, He will lead you.

I wish you the best!

Kate


“””For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.” (1 John 5:7)

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #27]

You completely ignored the crux of my post

No, I did not completely ignore the crux of your post, I was refering to the crux of you post when I stated the following ....

I don't see anything to contend. Your conclusions regarding those three FACTS are your own. As long as you don't impose them on others, you are welcome to them. Unless you are suggesting that Jehovah's Witnesses don't have the right to draw a different conclusion from the above FACTS, it's all good.

The TRINTITY on the other hand is a matter of "interpretation" which is needed since neither the word nor the explicit concept is found in scripture.

I beg to differ for previously given reasons.

I dont see and reasons given. Do you have a link tl these "previously given reasons"?



JW

If I recall, we already had exchanges on this subject.

I don't recall and such thing so a link or a reference to these "alleged" exchanges proving the truth of their existence would be appreciated.



JEHOVAH'S WITNESS

[JehovahsWitness]

Jehovah's Witnesses continue to follow the guidance of their uninspired governing body.

Which in my experience irks, anti-Witnesses, some ex-Witnesses and apostates.



Have a excellent day,

JW

ps: Sorry TIM , for hijacking you Trinity thread. And now we shall we return to our regularly scheduled program....

[SiNcE_1985]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #27]

You completely ignored the crux of my post

No, I did not completely ignore the crux of your post, I was refering to the crux of you post when I stated the following

Yeah, which was pretty much saying..

"I hear you, but I'm not listening".

Look, the Apostle Paul said that personal, sacred days are cool, so they are cool.

Bottom line.

Anyone who preaches, teaches, or espouses anything besides what Paul said is not inspired by the Lord.

I don't see anything to contend.

Yes you certainly did.

If it was something you could contend, you would have gladly contended it.

But since you can't, just act like you don't see it.

I get cha.

Your conclusions regarding those three FACTS are your own.

Nah.

I'm just agreeing with Paul.

You know Paul, the Apostle?

A guy that was actually called and chosen by the Lord..unlike the brothers at the WTS.

As long as you don't impose them on others, you are welcome to them.

Same to you guys.

Unless you are suggesting that Jehovah's Witnesses don't have the right to draw a different conclusion from the above FACTS, it's all good.

Sure, you have a right to be wrong..all day long.

Don't know why you would want to insist on it, though.

[onewithhim]

You didn't mention that you were talking about material from other religions.

That is discouraged, and why would we want to read it? We already have the Truth. We know basically what the other religions teach, many of us having been baptized at one time into one church or another. There is nothing we can learn from other religions' literature.

Oh, really?

The truth is not found in any man-made organization or group of people.

The truth is found in one man, Jesus Christ.

John 14:6

6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Jehovah's Witnesses have replaced Jesus with the organization.

They say "the truth is over here", meaning the truth lies within their organization.

Meanwhile, Jesus said "the truth is here, with me"...and he made no mention of any organization to belong to.

There lies the problem, OWH..and you need to realize that this is a problem.

We just kindly turn it down. We are looking for people who are looking for truth. There will be some who will benefit from our literature.

If you want them to look for the truth, you point them to JESUS...not to your organization.

Not trying to come across as brash, but I must speak with conviction here.

This is no joke.

Apparently you have not talked with a Jehovah's Witness. When we get into a discussion with people, we do not say "come over to our organization." We give them the good news, which is what Jesus Christ told us to do, and which he did for 3 years before he left the earth. "This good news of the Kingdom will be preached for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come." (Matthew 24:14) What is the good news? It involves understanding that Jesus is the King of God's Kingdom and he paved the way for us to gain everlasting life by dying for us. He rose again after 3 days. It's all about Jesus and his Father, Jehovah.

[2timothy316]

[Replying to SiNcE_1985 in post #21]

I was taught much false doctrine as a child. Until I read the Scriptures for myself, I did not know the truth.

Here is what I’ve learned from 47 years of personal study. The term “Trinity” is not in the Bible. Therefore, I don’t use it.

I also learned that Father, Son and Holy Spirit are ONE.

“””For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.” (1 John 5:7)

I pray your day is blessed, and that you always seek HIS truth and not your own. I pray this for myself as well.

Kate

PS. Birthdays are off topic. I have no idea why you would ask.

Sounds like the trinity doctrine you learned as a child still taints your personal dogma.

[SiNcE_1985]

Apparently you have not talked with a Jehovah's Witness.

I've talked to more JW's than you can shake a stick at.

When we get into a discussion with people, we do not say "come over to our organization."

Um, when/if a person leaves the organization, this is synonymous with the person leaving "the truth".

When/if a person comes back to the organization, this is synonymous with the person coming back to "the truth".

Jehovah's Witnesses look at all non- witnesses as being people of the world...or worldly people.

And it isn't until people become baptized Jehovah's Witnesses, that they are looked at as under God's saving grace.

You know what I'm saying is true, so please let's not act niave or be disingenuous.

We give them the good news, which is what Jesus Christ told us to do, and which he did for 3 years before he left the earth. "This good news of the Kingdom will be preached for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come." (Matthew 24:14) What is the good news? It involves understanding that Jesus is the King of God's Kingdom and he paved the way for us to gain everlasting life by dying for us. He rose again after 3 days. It's all about Jesus and his Father, Jehovah.

I agree with everything you just said here^.

I just do not accept the unbiblical idea that one needs to be a baptized JW to be under God's grace.

[MissKate13]

[Replying to 2timothy316 in post #36]

There was a time I would have agreed with you that my teachings tainted my beliefs, but I can say with all honesty that this is no longer the case. I’ve studied the topic in depth for many years, trying to prove that Father, Son and Holy Spirit were not ONE. I couldn’t do it.

I reject the term “trinity.” It is wrong for men to invent terms, and then apply them to Biblical teachings. It promotes division in the Lord’s body.

The Scriptures say Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one. Can we at least agree on this much?

“For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.” (1 John 5:7)

“John 10:30 “I and the Father are one.” (John 10:30)

Imho, the most difficult thing to do is think for ourselves, to read the Scriptures through our own lenses and not someone else’s, including the lenses of our church leaders. God has promised to give us understanding if we ask him for it. Our goal should be to seek HIS truth and no one else’s.

One of my favorite passages is from Proverbs.

“Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct your paths.” (Proverbs 3:5-6)

Be blessed,
Kate