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How to become an angel!

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Two type of bodies are defined in the Bible, natural and spiritual (I Corinthians 15:44). Man is a natural bodied being and God and the angels are spiritual bodied beings (John 3:6). All men will die (Hebrews 9:27), and all spiritual bodied beings will live forever. (Luke 20:36).

The two testaments of the Bible are covenants or wills between God and mankind. The inheritance which heirs receive under either covenant is everlasting life. Each Bible testament describes the path to everlasting life for mankind under that particular covenant.

The path to eternal life under the first covenant was to never sin (Romans 6:23). However, there was a fault in the first testament in that all mankind sinned! (Romans 5:12) Since the first covenant contained a fault, God created a second or New Testament (Hebrews 3:6).

Under the New Testament Covenant, one must believe in Jesus as their Savior to gain everlasting life (John 3:16). Here is how that came to be:

The Word (a Spirit) was made flesh as the man Jesus Christ (John 1:14). Being a man (1Timothy 2:5), Jesus was included as a possible beneficiary under the original covenant between God and mankind.

In fact, Jesus became the only human to become an heir to immortality under the Old Testament Covenant! (1 Timothy 6:16).

His future inheritance belongs solely to Him, it is His possession, He owns it! And He is the only human that "hath immortality" as an inheritance.

But Jesus freely chooses to offer His inheritance as a gift to humans who believe in Him as their Savior. This is codified in the New Testament Covenant! (John 3:16)

But how can the one everlasting life which is Jesus' inheritance be distributed to more that one believer? Here's how that is justified in the scriptures:

Since many sinned due to one man (Adam), it is only fair that likewise many should be saved by the gift of everlasting life offered freely by the one man, Jesus Christ. (Romans 5:15)

Once the Word was made flesh as Jesus, Jesus had no choice but to die His first death – as it is appointed unto man once to die. So Jesus’ death, while required, is not what saves us.

What saves us is that Jesus offers His just inheritance of everlasting spiritual life received by His living a sinless life under the Old Testament Covenant to those humans who accept Him as their Savior from the wages of their sins under the New Testament Covenant.

Believers receive their inheritance of everlasting life by being born again of the Spirit (John 3:6) at the second Coming (Romans 5:15).

Conclusion: Whosoever believeth shall be born again of the Spirit, as a spirit, into the spiritual Kingdom of God, at the Second Coming. When this occurs, we will become equal unto the angels.

That is how any human may become an angel. :D

If you want to debate the above explanation, please do so with scripture references to support your claims.

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Re: How to become an angel!

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onewithhim wrote: Sun Mar 13, 2022 5:51 pm [Replying to myth-one.com in post #34]
"The Word" was Jesus.
The Word is God and existed from the beginning:
John 1:1-3 wrote:In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Jesus was a man:
Hebrews 2:9 wrote:But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honor; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Jesus Christ was made to be "a little lower than the angels," exactly as man was created!
Psalm 8:4-5 wrote:What is man, that thou art mindful of him? ...For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels,
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1 Timothy 2:5 wrote:For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
The Word is God.

God is not a man.

Jesus was a man.

Therefore, Jesus is not the Word.

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Jesus was the Word made flesh:
John 1:14 wrote:And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
God is a spirit, not flesh:
John 4:24 wrote:God is a Spirit:. . .
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The Word is God.

God is a spirit.

Jesus was the Word made flesh.

Therefore, once again, Jesus was not the Word.

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onewithhim wrote: Sun Mar 13, 2022 5:55 pm Jesus was born in the heavens before everything else. He was created first and then all the angels. Then the universe with the planets and our earth, and then mankind, of which Abraham was a member. He was born BEFORE Abraham.
No, according to the scriptures, Jesus was born in Bethlehem about 2022 years ago.

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myth-one.com wrote: Sun Mar 13, 2022 10:57 am
Myth-one.com wrote:Wasn't Jesus born about 2022 years ago?
2timothy316 wrote:As a man yes. As a spirit, no.
We agree. Jesus was born as a man around 2022 years ago.

Abraham was born many years prior to Jesus. So Jesus as a man did not exist before Abraham.

2timothy316 wrote:So John 8:58 is a lie to you...ok.
John 8:58 is not a lie to me, because I understand what Jesus is saying. He is saying that He existed as the Word from the beginning!
Yes Jesus always has been the Word. That is what the book of John is about. Jesus AKA the Word AKA the one called Faithful and True on the White Horse. (John 1:1 compare Revelation 19:11-13)

Who told you what Jesus is saying isn't what Jesus is saying? You have been quiet as where you get your information that changes scripture from what they plainly state.

The way I see it, Jesus, who is the Word, said he existed before Abraham, you say he didn't. Either you or the Bible is not being truthful and you're not explaining why what Jesus said isn't what Jesus said. Just saying, "I know what Jesus meant" doesn't cut it because that is just an opinion and personal opinions are not truth. You'll have to prove what you say is not an opinion.

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myth-one.com wrote: Sun Mar 13, 2022 9:26 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Mar 13, 2022 5:55 pm Jesus was born in the heavens before everything else. He was created first and then all the angels. Then the universe with the planets and our earth, and then mankind, of which Abraham was a member. He was born BEFORE Abraham.
No, according to the scriptures, Jesus was born in Bethlehem about 2022 years ago.
Yes according to the scriptures.
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. This one was in the beginning with God. All things came into existence through him." - John 1:1-3
"So the Word became flesh and resided among us." John 1:14
If these scriptures is not about Jesus being the Word then what is the entire book of John about?

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2timothy316 wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 8:54 am
myth-one.com wrote: Sun Mar 13, 2022 9:26 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Mar 13, 2022 5:55 pm Jesus was born in the heavens before everything else. He was created first and then all the angels. Then the universe with the planets and our earth, and then mankind, of which Abraham was a member. He was born BEFORE Abraham.
No, according to the scriptures, Jesus was born in Bethlehem about 2022 years ago.
Yes according to the scriptures.
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. This one was in the beginning with God. All things came into existence through him." - John 1:1-3
"So the Word became flesh and resided among us." John 1:14
If these scriptures are not about Jesus being the Word then what is the entire book of John about?
These scriptures are about two beings -- the Word which is a spirit, and Jesus which was a human.

Notice that you have to write about them as "Jesus and the Word".

They are different beings with very different characteristics.

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myth-one.com wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 9:11 am
2timothy316 wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 8:54 am
myth-one.com wrote: Sun Mar 13, 2022 9:26 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Mar 13, 2022 5:55 pm Jesus was born in the heavens before everything else. He was created first and then all the angels. Then the universe with the planets and our earth, and then mankind, of which Abraham was a member. He was born BEFORE Abraham.
No, according to the scriptures, Jesus was born in Bethlehem about 2022 years ago.
Yes according to the scriptures.
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. This one was in the beginning with God. All things came into existence through him." - John 1:1-3
"So the Word became flesh and resided among us." John 1:14
If these scriptures are not about Jesus being the Word then what is the entire book of John about?
These scriptures are about two beings -- the Word which is a spirit, and Jesus which was a human.

Notice that you have to write about them as "Jesus and the Word".

They are different beings with very different characteristics.
Not according to the Bible.

"So the Word became flesh and resided among us." John 1:14

Jesus IS the Word, otherwise show me something the Word did or said in the book of John.

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2timothy316 wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 8:42 am The way I see it, Jesus, who is the Word, said he existed before Abraham, you say he didn't. Either you or the Bible is not being truthful and you're not explaining why what Jesus said isn't what Jesus said. Just saying, "I know what Jesus meant" doesn't cut it because that is just an opinion and personal opinions are not truth. You'll have to prove what you say is not an opinion.
There is an error in your statement. Jesus is not the Word.

Jesus is the Word made flesh!

Spirit beings and and flesh beings are very different!

You're omitting four important words from the following verse:
John 1:14 wrote:And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
That's a "no no" according to the scriptures:
Revelation 22:19 wrote:And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
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Did the Word made flesh create the heavens and the earth?

Or did:

The Word create the heavens and the earth?

Choose one.

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2timothy316 wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 9:17 am Jesus IS the Word, otherwise show me something the Word did or said in the book of John.
John wrote:
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

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myth-one.com wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 9:37 am
2timothy316 wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 8:42 am The way I see it, Jesus, who is the Word, said he existed before Abraham, you say he didn't. Either you or the Bible is not being truthful and you're not explaining why what Jesus said isn't what Jesus said. Just saying, "I know what Jesus meant" doesn't cut it because that is just an opinion and personal opinions are not truth. You'll have to prove what you say is not an opinion.
There is an error in your statement. Jesus is not the Word.

Jesus is the Word made flesh!

Spirit beings and and flesh beings are very different!

You're omitting four important words from the following verse:
John 1:14 wrote:And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
That's a "no no" according to the scriptures:
Revelation 22:19 wrote:And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
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Did the Word made flesh create the heavens and the earth?

Or did:

The Word create the heavens and the earth?

Choose one.
The Word has been both spirit and flesh so your comparison questions make so sense. There is only ONE Word. There is no scriptural evidence that there is a fleshly Word and Spirit Word existing at the same time.

Also, I have omitted no words from the Bible. It is clear that "the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us." That person that dwelt among us is Jesus Christ. John the Baptist said of Jesus, "John bore witness about him, yes, he cried out: “This was the one of whom I said, ‘The one coming behind me has advanced in front of me, for he existed before me.’” John 1:15.

Even John the Baptist said that Jesus existed before him. Yet another testament that Jesus had an existence before his fleshly existence. This could only be a spiritual existence.
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myth-one.com wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 9:46 am
2timothy316 wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 9:17 am Jesus IS the Word, otherwise show me something the Word did or said in the book of John.
John wrote:
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
And the Word became flesh, did it not?

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