Genesis 1 Through 3 Timeline Challenge: Can You Resolve the Alleged Contradictions?

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Genesis 1 Through 3 Timeline Challenge: Can You Resolve the Alleged Contradictions?

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I am putting forth a challenge. See if you can make the Genesis 1 through Genesis 3 timelines/accounts agree with each other and not contradict as Wikipedia (and other sources) claim.

According to Wikipedia, Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 contradict one another:

“The overlapping stories of Genesis 1 and 2 are contradictory but also complementary, with the first (the Priestly story) concerned with the creation of the entire cosmos while the second (the Jahwist story) focuses on man as moral agent and cultivator of his environment.”

“Even the order and method of creation differs.”


Genesis creation narrative - Wikipedia

Did God make mistakes? If you agree with Wikipedia, let us know why.

Basic Rules:
  • You are not allowed to take away from and/or add words to the verses.
  • Use any translation you wish (mix and match is OK).
  • The word ‘day’ must be interpreted as twenty-four hours or less.
  • The interpretation of the phrase ‘surely die’ must be consistent with its usage elsewhere in the Bible.
  • Use as many or as few verses as needed.
  • Your interpretation must not contradict either Old Testament or New Testament.
I will submit my entry in the next post.

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Re: Genesis 1 Through 3 Timeline Challenge: Can You Resolve the Alleged Contradictions?

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onewithhim wrote: Sat Mar 22, 2025 3:07 pm Did I miss someone's explanation of Genesis 2:4? Would someone reiterate what they said, as I am interested in what they have to say about that "day." And I missed it.
Its all a bit confusing but my understanding is Base12 is claiming Genesis is referring to the creation OF THREE DIFFERENT UNIVERSES:

DAY #1-3 Universe A
DAY #4-7 Universe B
THE DAY OF GEN 2v4 : Universe C
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http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 81#p826681


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Re: Genesis 1 Through 3 Timeline Challenge: Can You Resolve the Alleged Contradictions?

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[Replying to Base12 in post #1]


In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. (Genesis 1:1)

This is all that is said about the original creation of the heaven and the earth!

In Genesis 1:2, the earth is reported to have become without form, empty, and dark:

Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness covered the surface of the watery depths, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters. (Genesis 1:2 CSB)

So in Genesis 1:3, God returns and begins a restoration of a decimated earth to its original very good condition by turning the lights back on:

And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. (Genesis 1:3)

So the earth was originally created by God as very good; it became empty, void, and dark; and God returned and restored the earth to its original very good state and created mankind to maintain the earth in that state.

So there was a creation and a re-creation of the earth.

And there is no contradiction.

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Re: Genesis 1 Through 3 Timeline Challenge: Can You Resolve the Alleged Contradictions?

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Capbook wrote: Sun Mar 23, 2025 5:07 am
onewithhim wrote: Sat Mar 15, 2025 8:08 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Mar 15, 2025 1:47 am
Base12 wrote: Thu Mar 13, 2025 8:29 am
Capbook wrote: Thu Mar 13, 2025 2:28 am ...and of all things in them...
Where does it say that?
It refers to the word "generation" in Hebrew "תּלדה / תּולדה tôledâh" defined by Bible lexicon as course of history of creation.
Be understood as the creation of six days.

תּלדה / תּולדה tôledâh
BDB Definition:
1) descendants, results, proceedings, generations, genealogies
1a) account of men and their descendants
1a1) genealogical list of one’s descendants
1a2) one’s contemporaries
1a3) course of history (of creation etc)
Explain, please, Genesis 2:4 that speaks of God creating the earth in a "day." "Day" must mean something other than 24 hours.
The "day"in Genesis 2:4, in Hebrew "יום yôm" some definition by BDB lexicon as 24 hour period, also as evening and morning in Genesis 1. Conformed with the meaning of "generation" as course of creation history.

Gen 2:4  N1 R1 This H428  is the account H8435  of the heavens H8064  and the earth H776  when they were created H1254a , in  R2 the day H3117  that the LORD H3068  God H430  made H6213a  earth H776  and heaven H8064 .

H3117 (Brown-Driver-Briggs)
יום yôm
BDB Definition:
1) day, time, year
1a) day (as opposed to night)
1b) day (24 hour period)
1b1) as defined by evening and morning in Genesis 1
1b2) as a division of time
1b2a) a working day, a day’s journey
Once again you yourself show the validity of another understanding. (How can a "day" at Genesis 2:4 be a 24 hour period?) Your definition 1b2 says that a "day" could be simply a division of time. That is on your list. It makes the most sense, seeing that God didn't create the earth in one 24-hour "day." There was a "division of time," undoubtedly meaning there were no specific time lengths involved. The "day" could be merely the beginning of a point in time, and then the ending of the creative point in time. The "day" could be thousands of years long.

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Let us now consult the experts regarding Genesis 2:5...

Genesis 2:5 (New International Version)
"Now no shrub had yet appeared on the earth and no plant had yet sprung up, for the LORD God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no one to work the ground"


No plants, no shrubs, no life whatsoever was on the Earth.

Barnes' Notes on the Bible

Not a plant of the field was yet in the land. - Here it is to be remembered that the narrative has reverted to the third day of the preceding creation.

https://biblehub.com/commentaries/genesis/2-5.htm

There you go. Genesis 2:4, 2:5, 2:6, and 2:7 are all referring to the Third Day.

What happened on the Third Day?

Genesis 2:7
"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."


The First Adam was created. O:)

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