What better way to disprove the Bible

[Willum]

Givens:
Rome in Jesus time was a divine monarchy, ruled by the demi-god Tiberius Caesar, in the name of his father, who was a God, Caesar Augustus.
These two were empowered by the all-powerful Jove, aka Zeus, Jupiter, etc..
The coins used to pay Roman tax had "The God Augustus," or "Tiberius, son of the God Augustus" stamped right on them.

To give heed to false gods, is against the commandments, a sin and blasphemy, and it would be better to die than to do so.

Jesus said, within a short distance of temples raised to the Gods Jupiter and Augustus (where taxes were paid),

Matthew 22:21 Jesus said "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's; and to God the things that are God's."

Essentially saying pay to one god, Caesar, his tithes, and to the other god, Theos, his tithes.

Also -

Romans 13:1 "Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God and those which exist are established by God."

Proposition:

However, anyone worshiping God, would be blaspheming by either respecting a pagan government, or paying tax to a different god.

How is it possible to rectify the blasphemies perpetrated and encouraged by the Christian spokesperson against his father?

Even touching the coins to pay Caesars' taxes would be blasphemy.

Is there some scripture that clarifies this? Is there anything other then denials and opinions that this is not the case?

[JehovahsWitness]

The Gospels were started by Constantine.

Are you referring to the written accounts, as in Constantine wrote all four gospels or that he somehow travelled back in time to the first century and donned a pair of sandals, grabbed a copy of the Torah and did a round of the local first century synagogues himself?

[Willum]

[Replying to post 61 by JehovahsWitness]

You asked if the Gospels were written in Rome.
They were certainly RE-written in Rome. Where they were written, for the first time, is a good question, it seems to be a dirty little secret.

They were not written when the alleged Jesus spake them, as we all know.

Which brings us to the other points you attempt to avoid:
That Rome usurped religion as a means of pacification, and that Rome funded and vanguarded the Pharisee invasion, which was effectively the birth of Christianity. The Pharisee are the first Jewish resurrectionist, believe in forgiveness, and many of those other things characterized by Christianity.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 62 by Willum]

Okay, I think I see what you are saying - the four original gospels were taken to Rome and re-written and subsequently circulated. That is certainly an idea, if that's what you are saying (feel free to correct me if i have misunderstood).

[Willum]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness]

That is certainly what I feel comfortable saying.
They were obviously re-written in the Roman Empires favor. We'll never know what they originally said that did not endorse Rome, or indeed anything for sure,or if Rome didn't write them as crude propaganda in the first place.

What I said is that they re-wrote the gospels to ensure Jove and Elohim were the same deity. That the Jews should pay taxes, and so on. That this practice of usurping religion was what they did to unify peoples under the divine monarchy of Rome.

For example. Jove and Yahweh became the same God,under Rome.
Did you listen to how you pronounce Jove?
Here it is again...
https://www.howtopronounce.com/latin/iove/

[oldbadger]

Apparently Tacitus simply got his languages wrong, I seem to understand from the other members post.

LOL... well it's good to see you've done your research. ...

Before that other member's post I mentioned that Yeshua and the new religion had been given GREEK names, Eosus (or similar) and Christos. The other member confirmed this. Now you can research for tourself, and then you'll know?

Yes that Christianity started in the first century was in fact a point I myself made to question the idea that it was a Roman invention... because that would be within living memory of those that could falsify the claims.

It started after Yeshua's mission had failed, circa 33AD, and by the time Paul was writing up the new faith, with new covenants etc..... it was reversing into the Roman religions, cultures, etc etc.

Christianity is mostly about Paul and some others.

[/quote]Plus since the Jews hated the Christians as, what they viewed as an apostate sect, they would not have hesitated exposing it as a Roman conspiracy had that been the case. Then we have the problem of the body of Christian writing all originating in Rome? Judea (but somehow not being traced)... I doubt if Julian Assange could pull that off without a paper trail....[/quote]
The Jews hated the Samaritans, hated the pagans, hated the Romans. The Judeans despised the Galileans and Northern Jews. So the fact that at some point the Jewish priesthood were worried about a few Christian embryo sects is not so amazing.
But Rome hated the Christians more. Christians were the very firstr atheists, ever, and there was bound to be quite a lot of hatred, torture and killing of Christians eventually.
Yep..... Christians were the first atheists.

[Willum]

[Replying to post 63 by JehovahsWitness]

...yes, and the OP topic has definitely stated that the Gospels were re-written to favor Roman policies, awkwardly attempting to get Jews to revere a pagan government, its God Augustus its demi-god Tiberius, and Jove, pronounced, Yahweh...

[OnceConvinced]

As to your comment... [/color] Even touching the coins to pay Caesars' taxes would be blasphemy is total BULL$HIT!

If your too dumb... to even know how to make a biblical point... How can I even begin to help such a child as you looking at scripture! d'oh!

Think before you actually post!

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