In The Beginning...

[William]

Question For Debate:



Resources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulation_hypothesis
https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... imulation/
https://builtin.com/hardware/simulation-theory
https://www.simulation-argument.com/

[The Tanager]

[Replying to William in post #90]

I thought you meant if I didn't know the story, in which I think the one with the person would convey the idea that there was a voice/communication of some kind going on, where the one without the person doesn't. But, yes, if one knows the story, then I would agree with what you said.

[William]

[Replying to William in post #90]

I thought you meant if I didn't know the story, in which I think the one with the person would convey the idea that there was a voice/communication of some kind going on, where the one without the person doesn't. But, yes, if one knows the story, then I would agree with what you said.

So yes. about those stories...

I observe the explanation for any of them, can be told as 'we exist within a simulation' - created for a purpose which we should be able to intelligently work out.

In the telling of it, the instruction for humans is to go forth and to multiply and to subdue the planet.

The one speaking the instruction, is represented in many forms throughout the Bible, but considered to being the same VOICE behind those forms - be the form a burning bush, or even the atmospheric form of a disembodied external VOICE, such as when in the garden...YVHV uses what YVHV will to get the message across...

[The Tanager]

So yes. about those stories...

I observe the explanation for any of them, can be told as 'we exist within a simulation' - created for a purpose which we should be able to intelligently work out.

I agree. It can also be told via other kinds of creation views.

In the telling of it, the instruction for humans is to go forth and to multiply and to subdue the planet.

For the burning bush story?

The one speaking the instruction, is represented in many forms throughout the Bible, but considered to being the same VOICE behind those forms - be the form a burning bush, or even the atmospheric form of a disembodied external VOICE, such as when in the garden...YVHV uses what YVHV will to get the message across...

Yes, I agree.

[William]

[Replying to The Tanager in post #93]

So yes. about those stories...

I observe the explanation for any of them, can be told as 'we exist within a simulation' - created for a purpose which we should be able to intelligently work out.

I agree. It can also be told via other kinds of creation views.

You would have to show me that is the case before I could agree with that, if indeed it were even important/relevant.

In the telling of it, the instruction for humans is to go forth and to multiply and to subdue the planet.

For the burning bush story?

No.
If, during the discussion we might continue to have, you feel that I am confused about which story of the Bibles many stories being referred to, please let me know.
Whatever I mention of whatever bible story, am I able to presume that you know the Bible stories well enough not to have to ask, or should I be more specific in the furture?

The one speaking the instruction, is represented in many forms throughout the Bible, but considered to being the same VOICE behind those forms - be the form a burning bush, or even the atmospheric form of a disembodied external VOICE, such as when in the garden...YVHV uses what YVHV will to get the message across...

Yes, I agree.

Okay.

We have both agreed that:
1: We exist within a creation.
2: Simulation Theory is a valid way to interpret the Biblical stories.

If there is any pattern in the overall stories which can give us a definitive answer;

Q: Why did YVHV create this universe and specifically place human beings within it for the purpose of us exploring, breeding and subduing it?
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Note: I understand that there are most likely many conflicting answers, depending upon an individual's beliefs and interpretations of the bible stories and I am not interested in arguing about beliefs and interpretations.
I simply want one's impression or understanding of why one thinks that given the evidence humans have so far uncovered, YVHV does this to Humans.

For example, I have the impression you think that you never existed before you were born and although we have different opinions on that point, I seem to recall you argued that the personality/character you are, never existed prior to this experience you are currently having.

If I understand you correctly here, then we can agree that one of the main purposes for this universe and humans being within it, has to do with the formation of personalities/characters...and in relation to YHVH - these are for the purpose of then having the potential - to interact with YVHV.

What do you say to the above. - Agree? Disagree? Important things to iron out first?

[The Tanager]

You would have to show me that is the case before I could agree with that, if indeed it were even important/relevant.

It’s relevant only in the sense of the type of claim you are making about a simulation explanation.

Whatever I mention of whatever bible story, am I able to presume that you know the Bible stories well enough not to have to ask, or should I be more specific in the furture?

While I may know what story you are referring to, since our interpretations often differ greatly, it would probably be helpful to be more specific in the future.

For example, I have the impression you think that you never existed before you were born and although we have different opinions on that point, I seem to recall you argued that the personality/character you are, never existed prior to this experience you are currently having.

If I understand you correctly here, then we can agree that one of the main purposes for this universe and humans being within it, has to do with the formation of personalities/characters...and in relation to YHVH - these are for the purpose of then having the potential - to interact with YVHV.

What do you say to the above. - Agree? Disagree? Important things to iron out first?

I agree.

[William]

[Replying to The Tanager in post #95]

We have both agreed that:
1: We exist within a creation.
2: Simulation Theory is a valid way to interpret the Biblical stories.
3: YVHV placed humans into this universe to grow personalities.

Do we agree? Disagree? Important things to iron out first?

[The Tanager]

We have both agreed that:
1: We exist within a creation.
2: Simulation Theory is a valid way to interpret the Biblical stories.
3: YVHV placed humans into this universe to grow personalities.

Do we agree?

I'm a little wary of "grow personalities" as it's an odd sounding phrase from my background and could have ideas attached to the concept that I don't hold. I would say something more like "YHVH created humans in a physical universe to be personalities." Does 3 include that sort of idea?

[William]

We have both agreed that:
1: We exist within a creation.
2: Simulation Theory is a valid way to interpret the Biblical stories.
3: YVHV placed humans into this universe to grow personalities.

Do we agree?

I'm a little wary of "grow personalities" as it's an odd sounding phrase from my background and could have ideas attached to the concept that I don't hold. I would say something more like "YHVH created humans in a physical universe to be personalities." Does 3 include that sort of idea?

Re
Personalities
I am using the word "grow" in relation to both "Go forth and multiply" and "these [personalities] are for the purpose of then having the potential - to interact with YVHV." and growth being that which nature does - it is the nature of things to grow...

In this sense, YVVH is like unto a gardener...and that which is grown can talk and can commune with YVHV...

Re Biblical Stories:
This is also related to the burning talking bush whereby YVHV is a voice for nature and also analogies Jesus used [Matthew Chapter 13] re planting seeds for specific purposes to do with the individual personality and YVHV, which I am in no doubt you are aware of.

Agree?

[The Tanager]

[Replying to William in post #98]

I agree.

[William]

We have both agreed that:
1: We exist within a creation.
2: Simulation Theory is a valid way to interpret the Biblical stories.
3: YVHV placed humans into this universe to grow personalities.

[Replying to The Tanager in post #99]

I agree.

Q: Why did YVHV create this universe and specifically place human beings within it for the purpose of us exploring, breeding and subduing the planet?

A: To grow Human Personalities.
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Q: To what advantage to the individual, is the above knowledge in relation to exploring, breeding and subduing the planet?