Matthew 12:40

rstrats · Post by **rstrats** » Wed Dec 26, 2012 7:46 pm

Whenever the three days and three nights of Matthew 12:40 is brought up in a â€œdiscussionâ€� with 6th day crucifixion folks, they frequently argue that it is a Jewish idiom for counting any part of a day as a whole day. I wonder if anyone has documentation that shows that the phrase â€œxâ€� days and â€œxâ€�nights was ever used in the first century or before when it absolutely didnâ€™t include at least parts of the â€œxâ€� days and at least parts of the â€œxâ€� nights?

rstrats · Post by **rstrats** » Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:02 am

[Replying to post 138 by JehovahsWitness]

JehovahsWitness,
re: "Yes but my point is what if it wasn't a figure of speech at the time, what's to stop Jesus from initiating his own unique figure of speech?"

Nothing that I can think of. But that's an issue for a different topic.

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Fri Jun 01, 2018 1:12 pm

rstrats wrote: [Replying to post 138 by JehovahsWitness]

JehovahsWitness,
re: "Yes but my point is what if it wasn't a figure of speech at the time, what's to stop Jesus from initiating his own unique figure of speech?"

Nothing that I can think of. But that's an issue for a different topic.

Not really, essentially the question is what did Jesus mean at Matthew 12:40? Well, he could have been using a figure of speech from his day, he could have been simply using a figure of speech that he dreamed up himself.

How can examining possible options be "off topic" when the topic is what did he mean?

rstrats · Post by **rstrats** » Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:37 pm

[Replying to post 140 by JehovahsWitness]

JehovahsWitness,
re: "Not really, essentially the question is what did Jesus mean at Matthew 12:40?...How can examining possible options be 'off topic' when the topic is what did he mean?"

Because that is not the purpose of the topic. If someone implies that it was common to forecast or say that a daytime or a night time would be or was involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could have occurred they would have to know of other examples in order to legitimately make that implication of commonality. The operative word is "common" That is the one and only issue with which this topic in concerned

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:43 pm

rstrats wrote: [Replying to post 140 by JehovahsWitness]

JehovahsWitness,
re: "Not really, essentially the question is what did Jesus mean at Matthew 12:40?...How can examining possible options be 'off topic' when the topic is what did he mean?"

Because that is not the purpose of the topic. If someone implies that it was common to forecast or say that a daytime or a night time would be or was involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could have occurred they would have to know of other examples in order to legitimately make that implication of commonality. The operative word is "common" That is the one and only issue with which this topic in concerned

Fair enough if the underlying issue isn't to understand the meaning of the text.

It seems somewhat ironic to labour the point about supporting extra bibilcal sources when even a definitive answer one way or the other is ultimately irrelevant to the above aim.

Still.... enjoy!

JW

rstrats · Post by **rstrats** » Sat Jun 02, 2018 6:57 am

[Replying to post 142 by JehovahsWitness]

JehovahsWitness,
re: "It seems somewhat ironic to labour the point about supporting extra bibilcal sources..."

Biblical sources will be fine - in fact preferable.

rstrats · Post by **rstrats** » Wed Aug 01, 2018 7:18 am

Number 3 of post 131 should be changed from (Of those, there are some who think that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb) to (Of those, there are some who think that the 3 days and 3 nights count started when the Messiah was placed in the tomb or at the earliest to the moment when His spirit left His body).

rstrats · Post by **rstrats** » Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:51 am

Perhaps someone new visiting this topic might know of examples.

rstrats · Post by **rstrats** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:05 pm

JehovahasWitness,
re: "Fair enough if the underlying issue isn't to understand the meaning of the text."

It isn't, at least for the purpose of this topic.

rstrats · Post by **rstrats** » Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:43 am

I also need to add: "and who thinks the calendar day begins at sunset."

brianbbs67 · Post by **brianbbs67** » Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:26 pm

rstrats wrote: I also need to add: "and who thinks the calendar day begins at sunset."

The day does begin at sunset according to our Creator. The 2 Sabbaths of CHrist's passion week.

http://thewayofthemessiah.org/tsp.html

Interesting take and seems to fit perfectly.