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Matthew 12:40

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Whenever the three days and three nights of Matthew 12:40 is brought up in a “discussion� with 6th day crucifixion folks, they frequently argue that it is a Jewish idiom for counting any part of a day as a whole day. I wonder if anyone has documentation that shows that the phrase “x� days and “x�nights was ever used in the first century or before when it absolutely didn’t include at least parts of the “x� days and at least parts of the “x� nights?

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[Replying to post 158 by rstrats]

OK, now I see. I have no evidence at this time it was common.

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brianbbs67,
re: "OK, now I see. I have no evidence at this time it was common.


No problem. Someone else visiting this topic may know of examples.

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Point #5 in post #131 should be changed to read: To account for the discrepancy, there may be some of the above who say that the Messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language of the time, i.e., that it is was common to forecast or say that a day or a night would be involved with an event when no part of the day or no part of the night could occur.

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Maybe someone new visiting this topic who believes the Messiah died on the 6th day of the week and who thinks He was using common figure of speech/colloquial language in Matthew 12:40 might know of examples to support the idea of commonality.

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This passage helps to understand when the death and resurrection of Jesus occurred:

Luke 24:1 On the first day of the week, however, they went very early to the tomb, bearing the spices they had prepared. 2 But they found the stone rolled away from the memorial tomb, 3 and when they entered they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus. 4 While they were in perplexity over this, look! two men in flashing clothing stood by them. 5 As the [women] became frightened and kept their faces turned to the ground, the [men] said to them: “Why are YOU looking for the living One among the dead? 6 [[He is not here, but has been raised up.]] Recall how he spoke to YOU while he was yet in Galʹi·lee, 7 saying that the Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men and be impaled and yet on the third day rise.� 8 So they called his sayings to mind, 9 and they returned from the memorial tomb and reported all these things to the eleven and to all the rest. 10 They were the Magʹda·lene Mary, and Jo·anʹna, and Mary the [mother] of James. Also, the rest of the women with them were telling the apostles these things. 11 However, these sayings appeared as nonsense to them and they would not believe the [women].
12 [[But Peter rose and ran to the memorial tomb, and, stooping forward, he beheld the bandages alone. So he went off, wondering within himself at what had occurred.]]
13 But, look! on that very day two of them were journeying to a village about seven miles distant from Jerusalem [and] named Em·maʹus, 14 and they were conversing with each other over all these things that had come about.
15 Now as they were conversing and discussing, Jesus himself approached and began walking with them; 16 but their eyes were kept from recognizing him. 17 He said to them: “What are these matters that YOU are debating between yourselves as YOU walk along?� And they stood still with sad faces. 18 In answer the one named Cleʹo·pas said to him: “Are you dwelling as an alien by yourself in Jerusalem and so do not know the things that have occurred in her in these days?� 19 And he said to them: “What things?� They said to him: “The things concerning Jesus the Naz·a·reneʹ, who became a prophet powerful in work and word before God and all the people; 20 and how our chief priests and rulers handed him over to the sentence of death and impaled him. 21 But we were hoping that this [man] was the one destined to deliver Israel; yes, and besides all these things, this makes the third day since these things occurred. 22 Moreover, certain women from among us also astonished us, because they had been early to the memorial tomb 23 but did not find his body and they came saying they had also seen a supernatural sight of angels, who said he is alive. 24 Further, some of those with us went off to the memorial tomb; and they found it so, just as the women had said, but they did not see him.�


The key is in the v.21 when the disciples say that day was the third day after Jesus' death, i.e. the same day when the women went to the tomb: "the first day of the week" (v.1), which is Sunday.

SUNDAY was the day of the resurrection, and it was the third day after Jesus' death. That means he died on Friday.

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Eloi,
re: "SUNDAY was the day of the resurrection, and it was the third day after Jesus' death."

What was the first day after the Messiah's death?



re: "That means he died on Friday."

How do you account for the lack of a 3rd night?

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Saying "after" maybe was a mistake. I'm relying on Lucas's story, and the wording on it is "this makes the third day since these things occurred" ... it does not use the word "after". That makes the first day the same day when Jesus died. That is what the expression "the third day" means in a lot of passages. If we say today "the third day" we don't mean after 72 hours, but inside the 24 hours of the third day. The third day after now if after tomorrow, not matter at what time.

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Eloi,
re: "The third day after now if [is] after tomorrow..."

If "now" is Friday, what would the first day after now be?

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Someone new looking in may know of examples.

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rstrats wrote: Someone new looking in may know of examples.
Look up Matthew 28:1 in the greek. Greek says Sabbaths not Sabbath as the KJ and others do. That explains it all.

http://www.intercontinentalcog.org/Appe ... -34_AD.php

https://biblehub.com/interlinear/matthew/28-1.htm

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