Is Communion a cannibalistic ritual?

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Is Communion a cannibalistic ritual?

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According to Wikipedia: A ritual "is a sequence of activities involving gestures, words, and objects, performed in a sequestered place, and performed according to set sequence."

Christians practice a religious ritual called “Communion�. This is considered very important by most Christians and is usually conducted every Sunday at church. Some even think you can’t possibly be considered a true Christian if you refuse to participate in Communion. It involves eating some bread and drinking some wine (or in many cases fruit juice) and acknowledging Christ’s death on the cross.

Jesus himself ordained this religious ritual:

Luke 22:19-20
And he took bread, and gave thanks, and broke it, and gave unto them, saying, “This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me�. Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.�

In the standard Protestant Christian church these emblems are considered metaphorical, but still represent the flesh and the blood of Christ and you are expected to consume these. The Catholic church goes one step further and tries to make out that the bread really is Christ’s body and that it is somehow magically transformed.

So the question:
Is Communion a cannibalistic ritual? Please justify your answer.

Society and its morals evolve and will continue to evolve. The bible however remains the same and just requires more and more apologetics and claims of "metaphors" and "symbolism" to justify it.

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Re: Is Communion a cannibalistic ritual?

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ttruscott wrote:
OnceConvinced wrote:
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So the question:
Is Communion a cannibalistic ritual? Please justify your answer.
It is not cannibalism because it is fulfilled symbolically with bread and wine, not the real body. It symbolizes the communion of the heavenly state where in the telepathic bond of love and holiness between GOD and every person is perfect and full.
I never said it was cannibalism. I said it was a Cannibalistic ritual

A ritual is still a ritual even if the acts are symbolic. Many rituals contain symbolic acts. So if you are consuming things that symbolize blood and flesh, then that is a cannibalistic ritual.

For example, many fertility rituals involve symbolic acts and often no actual fertilizing is going on, but yet it's still called a fertility ritual.

Baptism, for instance involves the submerging of a body under water, but the actually act of dunking underwater is only symbolic isn't it? It's not a physical cleansing, but a spiritual cleansing. You're not actually literally being reborn here. Same goes with the sinner's prayer and being born again. You're not literarily born again. It's simply a religious ritual where you make a symbolic gesture and in doing so supposedly you are reborn spiritually. But you're not technically being reborn.

No one is saying that Communion is actual cannibalism. However it's seems quite clear it is a cannibalistic ritual.

Society and its morals evolve and will continue to evolve. The bible however remains the same and just requires more and more apologetics and claims of "metaphors" and "symbolism" to justify it.

Prayer is like rubbing an old bottle and hoping that a genie will pop out and grant you three wishes.

There is much about this world that is mind boggling and impressive, but I see no need whatsoever to put it down to magical super powered beings.


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OnceConvinced wrote: So the question:
Is Communion a cannibalistic ritual? Please justify your answer.
No, of course not.

You have to understand what wine and what bread He was talking about. It was part of the Passover feast celebrated a day early by the Essene calendar which was a day different then the Pharisee calendar. The 3rd cup of wine is the 'cup of redemption'. Yeshua was saying His blood was 'the cup of redemption', not that the wine turned into His blood! His blood shed is the redemption foreshadowed in the Passover feast. Now the same is true of the bread. It was a specific piece of bread that was broken and hidden. He was explaining the symbolism and foreshadowing of His crucifixion/resurrection and redemption within the Passover feast.

The consumption of blood was specifically forbidden by the LAW.

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Yahu wrote:
OnceConvinced wrote: So the question:
Is Communion a cannibalistic ritual? Please justify your answer.
No, of course not.

You have to understand what wine and what bread He was talking about. It was part of the Passover feast celebrated a day early by the Essene calendar which was a day different then the Pharisee calendar. The 3rd cup of wine is the 'cup of redemption'. Yeshua was saying His blood was 'the cup of redemption', not that the wine turned into His blood! His blood shed is the redemption foreshadowed in the Passover feast. Now the same is true of the bread. It was a specific piece of bread that was broken and hidden. He was explaining the symbolism and foreshadowing of His crucifixion/resurrection and redemption within the Passover feast.

The consumption of blood was specifically forbidden by the LAW.
No one is saying that the wine is turning into blood or the bread is becoming flesh. I agree it is metaphorical. It is symbolic. The fact remains is that Jesus says "this is my blood and this is my flesh" and then instructs you to eat it. It makes no difference whether it's literal or not. Symbolic, metaphorical, pretend... It doesn't have to be real cannibalism for it to be a cannibalistic ritual.

Luke 22:19-20

19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.

20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.


When in communion the bread and the wine is passed around and everyone eats and drinks a portion. Sure it's just bread and drink, but it's still a religious ritual and it's symbolic cannibalism.

Society and its morals evolve and will continue to evolve. The bible however remains the same and just requires more and more apologetics and claims of "metaphors" and "symbolism" to justify it.

Prayer is like rubbing an old bottle and hoping that a genie will pop out and grant you three wishes.

There is much about this world that is mind boggling and impressive, but I see no need whatsoever to put it down to magical super powered beings.


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OnceConvinced wrote:
Yahu wrote:
OnceConvinced wrote: So the question:
Is Communion a cannibalistic ritual? Please justify your answer.
No, of course not.

You have to understand what wine and what bread He was talking about. It was part of the Passover feast celebrated a day early by the Essene calendar which was a day different then the Pharisee calendar. The 3rd cup of wine is the 'cup of redemption'. Yeshua was saying His blood was 'the cup of redemption', not that the wine turned into His blood! His blood shed is the redemption foreshadowed in the Passover feast. Now the same is true of the bread. It was a specific piece of bread that was broken and hidden. He was explaining the symbolism and foreshadowing of His crucifixion/resurrection and redemption within the Passover feast.

The consumption of blood was specifically forbidden by the LAW.
No one is saying that the wine is turning into blood or the bread is becoming flesh. I agree it is metaphorical. It is symbolic. The fact remains is that Jesus says "this is my blood and this is my flesh" and then instructs you to eat it. It makes no difference whether it's literal or not. Symbolic, metaphorical, pretend... It doesn't have to be real cannibalism for it to be a cannibalistic ritual.

Luke 22:19-20

19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.

20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.


When in communion the bread and the wine is passed around and everyone eats and drinks a portion. Sure it's just bread and drink, but it's still a religious ritual and it's symbolic cannibalism.
You must not have noticed my post to you (#12). Regarding the cup, in order to understand what Yeshua is saying, it must be looked at in light of nature of the terms, "blood" and "wine" and the Pesach Seder, in Hebrew culture. First the blood and wine are not interchangeable terms. They are however both representative of life. In the Seder, Yeshua uses both terms to invoke two images and do a play on words. If He meant to equate the Seder with anthropophagy, He would have taken a piece of lamb and said this is my body. He took the matzah, the bread(life) of affliction, that represents being freed from a life of affliction. Wine represents life because it is nourishment. It is used as a commemoration of the covenants that are sealed by the blood of the sacrifices, which is poured out on the side of the alter. What he is saying is, this life (wine & matzah) which is commemorated in the Seder is embodied in His life(blood and body). He is identifying Himself with the core of what it means to be one of Adonai's people and based on that saying that Adonai's people should identify with Him. It is entirely related to the imagery of HaTorah and any embellishment beyond that is to stretch the analogy beyond it's historical context.

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Re: Is Communion a cannibalistic ritual?

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I think that no. It's not more like a metaphorical aspect. What I would really love to be explained is the case when you may dream of this. Like for real if this happens to be your dream, you may be left speechless. Once I had something likewise and checked the hypothetical meaning of this on dreams-meaning.com. You never know what games may play your brain with you, but in reality ( as I was told by a medium there) what we dream about is a sign for each of us. For us it is a daunting challenge to discover the meaning, that is why we'd better opt for a consultation with a specialist.

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OnceConvinced wrote: Mon Oct 27, 2014 8:50 pm In the standard Protestant Christian church these emblems are considered metaphorical, but still represent the flesh and the blood of Christ and you are expected to consume these. The Catholic church goes one step further and tries to make out that the bread really is Christ’s body and that it is somehow magically transformed.

So the question:
Is Communion a cannibalistic ritual? Please justify your answer.
Every form of Christianity of which I am aware, including the Roman Catholic Church, says that the elements (the bread and the wine/grape juice) remain unchanged on a physical level. Bio-chemically speaking, it is still bread and wine/grape juice.
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OnceConvinced wrote: Mon Oct 27, 2014 8:50 pm According to Wikipedia: A ritual "is a sequence of activities involving gestures, words, and objects, performed in a sequestered place, and performed according to set sequence."

Christians practice a religious ritual called “Communion�. This is considered very important by most Christians and is usually conducted every Sunday at church. Some even think you can’t possibly be considered a true Christian if you refuse to participate in Communion. It involves eating some bread and drinking some wine (or in many cases fruit juice) and acknowledging Christ’s death on the cross.

Jesus himself ordained this religious ritual:

Luke 22:19-20
And he took bread, and gave thanks, and broke it, and gave unto them, saying, “This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me�. Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.�

In the standard Protestant Christian church these emblems are considered metaphorical, but still represent the flesh and the blood of Christ and you are expected to consume these. The Catholic church goes one step further and tries to make out that the bread really is Christ’s body and that it is somehow magically transformed.

So the question:
Is Communion a cannibalistic ritual? Please justify your answer.
It represents, in a way, flesh and blood, which is cannibalistic.
But I guess it depends on how you define cannibalism.
I think original circumcision is more cannibalistic than communion.

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