Peace to you,
onewithhim wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2020 12:06 pm
tam wrote: ↑Tue Oct 06, 2020 10:16 pm
Peace to you,
onewithhim wrote: ↑Tue Oct 06, 2020 10:02 pm
tam wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 7:06 pm
onewithhim wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:18 pm
tam wrote:
JehovahsWitness wrote:
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Replying to post 89 by tam]
I couldn't glean an answer to my question from what you posted. If as it is clear the "sheep" are righteous and they are
subjects of the kingdom. And the "meek" are also righteous they are
reigning over the sheep, wouldn't that make two groups of righteous?
I think it is because your question focuses upon righteousness, and it is Christ who is the Righteous One. Those who belong to Him are covered by Him, so that there is no judgment for them, their sins are forgiven, and He trains them up. The sheep also have a covering: one that grants them entrance into the Kingdom: love, which is made manifest in their deeds, and as we know "love covers over a multitude of sins."
But there are two groups of people - yes: one group reigns with Christ as king-priests (for a thousand years); the other group enters as subjects.
If you have a
specific point to your questioning regarding the meek, then you might have to spell it out more for me.
Peace to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy
Please forgive me if I'm wrong, but didn't you say before that there are
not two groups of Christians? Or is my memory failing me?
Peace to you onewithhim. Your memory is not failing you : )
I also did
not say in
this post that there are two groups of Christians.
There are two groups of
people who enter into the Kingdom:
One group would be Christians (who reign as kings and priests with Christ for a thousand years).
The second group would be non-Christians (who enter as subjects of the Kingdom).
Peace again to you!
Please explain how non-Christians can be subjects of God's Kingdom. To be subjects, wouldn't the people have to be living according to God's requirements for eternal life? (John 3:16)
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Christians are those who are anointed with holy spirit. That anointing - that baptism - is what makes them Christian (an anointed one).
ALL Christians reign with Christ as kings and priests in His Kingdom (for a thousand years).
That being said, I am not sure I understand your objection (if indeed you are objecting). I thought you believed that non-Christians also enter into the Kingdom during the thousand years. Wouldn't that make them subjects of the Kingdom?
Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy
OK, you and I will continue to disagree concerning the baptism with holy spirit on some, or, all Christians.
Ok. (Here is a link to a summary of some of that conversation (with jw). I only found it because jw had quoted something of mine on that thread, and it was right around this post. I'm not sure if we discussed it elsewhere.
viewtopic.php?p=1005755#p1005755 )
I did not glean an answer from your post to the question I asked though:
I thought you believed that non-Christians also enter into the Kingdom during the thousand years. Wouldn't that make them subjects of the Kingdom?
But besides that, isn't our focus on life after the Millennial Reign?
Do you mean the focus of this conversation?
If so, then no, as explained below.
Jesus' thousand-years reign is getting people and the planet prepared for eternal life.
Look at the parable of the sheep and goats again:
“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
Notice that the sheep on His right are declared to be
the righteous, and they are told to take
their inheritance.
Then, at the end of the parable, Christ summarizes:
“Then they (the goats)
will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
Those invited into the Kingdom (beginning at the start of the thousand years) are these righteous ones who receive eternal life.
People who have been resurrected (and many who are not righteous but survive Armageddon) need to be instructed concerning the truth about God and His Sovereignty.
Well, the truth about God and His Sovereignty will be clear for all to see, because Christ (the Truth) will have returned. And the second resurrection, the resurrection of the dead, does not occur until the end of thousand years (Rev 20:5, 11-15).
They must make up their minds during the M.R. about their standing with Jehovah.
According to Christ in the parable of the sheep and the goats, the sheep are already declared righteous and invited into the Kingdom as subjects of that Kingdom. I know of no such teaching that you have stated here from Christ or the apostles or in what is written.
After Satan is let loose for the last time, people will make up their minds. Then whoever is left, on Jehovah's side, will be able to live forever in peace. That is when we start talking about the righteousness of people on Earth.
But that
cannot be true. Because again, the sheep invited into the Kingdom are declared righteous then and there at the start of the thousand years. Not at the end of the thousand years.
Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy