Paradise on Earth

onewithhim · Post by **onewithhim** » Fri Nov 18, 2016 12:25 am

When I learned that the Bible speaks of a restored Garden of Eden and the restoration of mankind to the perfection and endless life that Adam forfeited, I was thrilled. Who doesn't want to keep living on this beautiful earth, with our loved ones, and being able to do all the things we love to do---endlessly?

If God said to you today, "When do you want to die?" would you say "now!!"? I don't think very many people would say that.

We CAN live forever here on Earth. The Bible tells us that we can.

Matthew 5:5
Psalm 37:9-11,29

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Sun Mar 22, 2020 1:48 am

tam wrote:

Neither you nor JW has demonstrated that I have said something that is not (or that is in conflict with) what Christ taught.

You are teaching a disciple cannot also be a Christian and that anyone that is unanointed cannot be a Christian and that the "other sheep" cannot be unanointed Christians (feel fee to clarify if you wish), none of those things are the words of Christ. In short you are saying a Christian has to have a hope of being a ruler and cannot have the hope of being a subject.

All of that is putting words in Christ's mouth,

JW

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Sun Mar 22, 2020 1:53 am

tam wrote:

A Christian is simply a disciple (of Christ)who has been anointed with holy spirit (chosen by Christ). Same requirements apply to all - follow Christ, obey His commands.

You are putting words in Christs mouth, if you follow Christ you are a Christian anointed or not. Jesus said to take up his torture stake (cross) and follow him he never said be anointed and follow him. Your dogma goes beyond the words of Christ. This your post's interpretation but not accurtate.

Jesus commanded us to teach everything he taught, he never taught that unanointed disciples cannot be Christians. , he did not authorize them to step beyond the word of God.. If Jesus (or any of the first century writers) had wanted to say anyone that remains unanointed cannot possibly be a Christian he would have said so.

JW

To read more please go to other posts related to...

RELIGION, CHRISTIANITY and ...DENOMINATIONS

tam · Post by **tam** » Sun Mar 22, 2020 2:08 am

Peace to you,

JehovahsWitness wrote:
tam wrote:

Neither you nor JW has demonstrated that I have said something that is not (or that is in conflict with) what Christ taught.

You are teaching a disciple cannot also be a Christian
Christians are disciples (who are anointed with holy spirit).

So disciples can certainly also be Christian.

and that anyone that is anointed cannot be a christian

I believe you misspoke here.

Christians are anointed (with holy spirit).

and that the other sheep cannot be ananointed
Isn't that what the WTS is teaching?

I never said the 'other sheep' cannot be anointed.

The WTS says the "other sheep" cannot be anointed.

(feel fee to clarify if wpyou wish), none of those things are the words of Christ. In short are saying a Christian has to have a hope of being a ruler and cannot have the hope of being a subject.
You (or owh, I forget which of you) said yourself that Christ was calling those who would reign with Him in His Kingdom, His Bride, His Body, His brothers (adopted sons of God). You (or owh) agreed that this is the case in what is written. I have not said anything other than that.

Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Sun Mar 22, 2020 2:12 am

Thats you dogmaI am not obliged to submit to it.

tam wrote:
So disciples can certainly also be Christian.

Okay. None of the disciples were anointed before Pentecost, so if they could be Christians that wojld mean they would be unanojnted Christians.

tam · Post by **tam** » Sun Mar 22, 2020 2:18 am

Peace to you,

JehovahsWitness wrote:
tam wrote:

A Christian is simply a disciple (of Christ)who has been anointed with holy spirit (chosen by Christ). Same requirements apply to all - follow Christ, obey His commands.
You are putting words in Christs mouth,
In order for me to put words in His mouth I would have to have said "Christ said" and then put words in His mouth that He had not said.

if you follow Christ you are a Christian anointed or not. Jesus said to take up his torture stake (cross) and follow him he never said be anointed and follow him.

He cannot say 'be anointed and follow me' because He is the One who anoints His chosen ones with holy spirit. We do not control that. He chooses that (or not). We can only follow Him. One who loves Him (truly loves HIM) is going to obey Him and follow Him, regardless.

Peace again to you.

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Sun Mar 22, 2020 2:23 am

tam wrote: Christians are anointed (with holy spirit). ananointed

Your posts teach that all christians are anointed, that there is no such thing as an unanointed Christian. That is the dogma your post have been proposing from the beginning. Are you now attemting to ccontradict your post's teachings?

tam · Post by **tam** » Sun Mar 22, 2020 2:24 am

JehovahsWitness wrote: Thats you dogmaI am not obliged to submit to it.

tam wrote:
So disciples can certainly also be Christian.

Okay. None of the disciples were anointed before Pentecost, so if they could be Christians that wojld mean they would be unanojnted Christians.

My full quote was:

Christians are disciples (who are anointed with holy spirit).

So disciples can certainly also be Christian.

Peace again to you.

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Sun Mar 22, 2020 2:24 am

[Replying to post 1394 by tam]

So you dont believe there is any such thing as an unanointed christian? Yes or No?Your post's dogma have consistently taught there cannot be.

Please be so kind as to clarify so we can all see what your teachings are.

JW

tam · Post by **tam** » Sun Mar 22, 2020 2:33 am

Peace to you,

JehovahsWitness wrote:
tam wrote: Christians are anointed (with holy spirit). [strike]ananointed[/strike]

Your posts teach that all christians are anointed, that there is no such thing as an unanointed Christian. That is the dogma your post have been proposing from the beginning. Are you now attemting to ccontradict your post's teachings?

The words that you are quoting are not contradicting anything I previously said. Perhaps we should take a break. I'm not sure what more there is to say (at the moment) than has already been said.

Peace again to you.

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Sun Mar 22, 2020 2:36 am

tam wrote:
if you follow Christ you are a Christian anointed or not. Jesus said to take up his torture stake (cross) and follow him he never said be anointed and follow him.

He cannot say 'be anointed and follow me' because He is the One who anoints His chosen ones with holy spirit. We do not control that. He chooses that (or not). We can only follow Him. ....

So if Christ {to quote you} "He cannot say 'be anointed and follow me' ", why do you? He said to teach what he taught not go beyond that. Jesus never taught **all** Christians would be anointed, why do your posts propse this dogma?

tam wrote:
A Christian is simply a disciple (of Christ)who has been anointed with holy spirit (chosen by Christ). .....
In order for me to put words in His mouth I would have to have said "Christ said" and then put words in His mouth that He had not said.

So at least you confess that Jesus didnt say the words in bold. True belivers are not subject to the dogma proposed by your posts, so do not be surprised we stick to what Jesus said over what your posts say. The word "Christian" means follower/slave of Christ it does not mean anointed follower of Christ. Its pretty simple for those not a slave to your post's teachings.

JW