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Paradise on Earth

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When I learned that the Bible speaks of a restored Garden of Eden and the restoration of mankind to the perfection and endless life that Adam forfeited, I was thrilled. Who doesn't want to keep living on this beautiful earth, with our loved ones, and being able to do all the things we love to do---endlessly?

If God said to you today, "When do you want to die?" would you say "now!!"? I don't think very many people would say that.

We CAN live forever here on Earth. The Bible tells us that we can.

Matthew 5:5
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myth-one.com wrote: Sun Apr 24, 2022 5:22 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Apr 24, 2022 4:42 pm I can't believe that you are arguing over adjectives, and words that BOTH were written by Moses! I don't think that Moses would have contradicted himself and written two differing descriptions of God's work. "Very good" to Jehovah would have been perfect. He would make nothing that was not perfect.
Weren't they written by Moses as inspired by God?

Are you inspired by God to make changes to the scriptures?
Yes God inspired the Scriptures, and He wouldn't be contradicting Himself either. And what changes to the Scriptures have been made?

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Re: Paradise on Earth

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myth-one.com wrote: Sun Apr 24, 2022 5:24 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Apr 24, 2022 4:34 pm
Revelations won wrote: Sun Apr 24, 2022 9:32 am Dear Onewithhim,

I would have to agree with myth-one.com who has make some very clear points in responding to your claims.

Do JW’s claim that mortality was not part of God’s plan for his children who were placed on this earth?

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Well if you think myth-one has some very clear points, you haven't paid any attention to what I and others have posted.

God's plan was for humans to live FOREVER on this planet. They were created mortal, but could have everlasting life as long as they obeyed him.
"Was" is passed tense.

What is His plan for man now?
As has been explained, His plan hasn't changed. It will be fulfilled, just as all of His plans are fulfilled.

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Re: Paradise on Earth

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myth-one.com wrote: Mon Apr 25, 2022 3:35 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Mon Apr 25, 2022 1:43 pm
myth-one.com wrote: Mon Apr 25, 2022 1:27 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:55 pm Does the bible say Gods work is perfect or does it say God's work is perfect "for the purpose for which they were created"?

DEUTERONOMY 32:4 - ESV
The Rock, his work is perfect for all his ways are justice. A God of faithfulness and without iniquity, just and upright is he.
God's work is perfect and perfect for the purposes for which it was created.
Fair enough. So Adam and Eve (being Gods work) were perfect. True or False?
In as few words as possible, why don't you define "perfect".

Perfect: something completely free from faults or defects?
or

Perfect: something as free as possible from defects.

or

Something else?

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God's perfection is "something completely free from faults or defects." That is the usual definition of "perfect." An all-powerful God can indeed make perfect things, and there's no reason to think that He wouldn't make something perfect.

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Mon Apr 25, 2022 4:58 pm IS GOD PERFECT ?
2 SAMUEL 22: 31 - Berean Study Bible

As for God, His way is perfect; the word of the LORD is flawless
DEUTERONOMY 32:4 - ESV
The Rock, his work is perfect for all his ways are justice. A God of faithfulness and without iniquity, just and upright is he.

If you're trying to imply the Bible, one of his works, is perfect, which would mean it's correct in everything it says, then perhaps you can tell us who the father of Salah (Sala) was, Arphaxad or Cainan?


Genesis 10:24

24 And Arphaxad begat Salah; and Salah begat Eber.

OR

Luke 3:35-36
35 Which was the son of Saruch, which was the son of Ragau, which was the son of Phalec, which was the son of Heber, which was the son of Sala,
36 Which was the son of Cainan, which was the son of Arphaxad, which was the son of Sem, which was the son of Noe, which was the son of Lamech,



Or the age at which Jehoiachin began his reign.

2 Kings 24:8
8 Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother's name was Nehushta, the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem.

OR

2 Chronicles 36:9
9 Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did that which was evil in the sight of the Lord.


which, while likely a scribal/copyist error, nonetheless illustrate why nothing in the Bible is above question or can be taken as absolutely true. So, the Christian believer is stuck with passages that claim god's work is (always) perfect, and passages that say some of his work was a mistake, not perfect.

Whatcha going to do, call GhostBusters?



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Miles wrote: Mon Apr 25, 2022 6:16 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Mon Apr 25, 2022 4:58 pm IS GOD PERFECT ?
2 SAMUEL 22: 31 - Berean Study Bible

As for God, His way is perfect; the word of the LORD is flawless
DEUTERONOMY 32:4 - ESV
The Rock, his work is perfect for all his ways are justice. A God of faithfulness and without iniquity, just and upright is he.

If you're trying to imply the Bible, one of his works, is perfect, which would mean it's correct in everything it says, then perhaps you can tell us who the father of Salah (Sala) was, Arphaxad or Cainan?


Genesis 10:24

24 And Arphaxad begat Salah; and Salah begat Eber.

OR

Luke 3:35-36
35 Which was the son of Saruch, which was the son of Ragau, which was the son of Phalec, which was the son of Heber, which was the son of Sala,
36 Which was the son of Cainan, which was the son of Arphaxad, which was the son of Sem, which was the son of Noe, which was the son of Lamech,



Or the age at which Jehoiachin began his reign.

2 Kings 24:8
8 Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother's name was Nehushta, the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem.

OR

2 Chronicles 36:9
9 Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did that which was evil in the sight of the Lord.


which, while likely a scribal/copyist error, nonetheless illustrate why nothing in the Bible is above question or can be taken as absolutely true. So, the Christian believer is stuck with passages that claim god's work is (always) perfect, and passages that say some of his work was a mistake, not perfect.

Whatcha going to do, call GhostBusters?



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Jehovah didn't dictate every word....He inspired the basic thought. The basic message of the Bible is the same, in all 66 books.

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Re: Paradise on Earth

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Miles wrote: Mon Apr 25, 2022 6:16 pm If you're trying to imply the Bible, one of his works, is perfect, ...
I don't have to imply anything, the scriptures are there in black and white.

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"For if we live, we live to Jehovah, and if we die, we die to Jehovah. So both if we live and if we die, we belong to Jehovah" -
Romans 14:8

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onewithhim wrote: Mon Apr 25, 2022 5:41 pm
God's perfection is "something completely free from faults or defects." That is the usual definition of "perfect." An all-powerful God can indeed make perfect things, and there's no reason to think that He wouldn't make something perfect.
Except for God's own description of every thing He created in Genesis as "good".

Is good the same as perfect?

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myth-one.com wrote: Mon Apr 25, 2022 7:40 pm
onewithhim wrote: Mon Apr 25, 2022 5:41 pm
God's perfection is "something completely free from faults or defects." That is the usual definition of "perfect." An all-powerful God can indeed make perfect things, and there's no reason to think that He wouldn't make something perfect.
Except for God's own description of every thing He created in Genesis as "good".

Is good the same as perfect?
Good can be the same as perfect.

If YHWH was designing a role-playing game where the players are you and I, then viewing the Earth is such a way, shows not only a good thing accomplished in the creating of the setting, but a perfect thing in what it provides for the players.

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Mon Apr 25, 2022 6:51 pm
Miles wrote: Mon Apr 25, 2022 6:16 pm If you're trying to imply the Bible, one of his works, is perfect, ...
I don't have to imply anything, the scriptures are there in black and white.

JW


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Since when did the words of otseng become part of the black and white you refer to as 'scripture'?

Rather, what otseng provided in the words of the image you provided, is a fort in which Christians do not have to be harassed by those who are tasked with questioning the bible.
The bible is simply referred to as something "not having to prove itself true, in this setting."

As to the shenanigans of in-house sword-play, this is all the fort provides. Simply a place where the Christian Soldiers of the denominational barracks have in which to air their particular 'interpretations' of a thing they believe is beyond question.

Of course, none of the interpretations can be proven as true, and can be challenged up to the point where those being challenged make protest that 'the truth' is being questioned in an environment designed to enable that not to happen. They conflate 'The Truth" of the bible, with "Their interpretation" of the bible.

One could even be sad about such shenanigans until one realizes the futility of feeling sorry for those who hide from truth by declaring something to be true which has never been proven true.

Their destinies await them, be these rewards in heaven, or inheriting the game play on Earth.

Forever marooned upon an Island in the midst of an ocean they will never be permitted to have access to....while remaining blissfully unaware of the true nature of their internment and praising YHWH for their good fortune.

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onewithhim wrote: Mon Apr 25, 2022 6:20 pm
Miles wrote: Mon Apr 25, 2022 6:16 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Mon Apr 25, 2022 4:58 pm IS GOD PERFECT ?
2 SAMUEL 22: 31 - Berean Study Bible

As for God, His way is perfect; the word of the LORD is flawless
DEUTERONOMY 32:4 - ESV
The Rock, his work is perfect for all his ways are justice. A God of faithfulness and without iniquity, just and upright is he.

If you're trying to imply the Bible, one of his works, is perfect, which would mean it's correct in everything it says, then perhaps you can tell us who the father of Salah (Sala) was, Arphaxad or Cainan?


Genesis 10:24

24 And Arphaxad begat Salah; and Salah begat Eber.

OR

Luke 3:35-36
35 Which was the son of Saruch, which was the son of Ragau, which was the son of Phalec, which was the son of Heber, which was the son of Sala,
36 Which was the son of Cainan, which was the son of Arphaxad, which was the son of Sem, which was the son of Noe, which was the son of Lamech,



Or the age at which Jehoiachin began his reign.

2 Kings 24:8
8 Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother's name was Nehushta, the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem.

OR

2 Chronicles 36:9
9 Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did that which was evil in the sight of the Lord.


which, while likely a scribal/copyist error, nonetheless illustrate why nothing in the Bible is above question or can be taken as absolutely true. So, the Christian believer is stuck with passages that claim god's work is (always) perfect, and passages that say some of his work was a mistake, not perfect.

Whatcha going to do, call GhostBusters?



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Jehovah didn't dictate every word....He inspired the basic thought. The basic message of the Bible is the same, in all 66 books.
And you know this to be a fact because . . . . . . . .


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