Peace to you!
I just peeked in and see that you are having an interesting continuation of the discussion, and thought I would comment if I may?
Checkpoint wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:04 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 01, 2020 6:10 am
Checkpoint wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:14 am
The return of Christ occurs after the millennium.
#1 What scriptural support do you have to place Christs return
AFTER his 1000 year rule?
#2 Is there any connection between Christs return and the Messianic Kingdom
? If so what?
The 1000 years is found only in Revelation 20, which has no return of Christ. Therefore, "scriptural support" for which comes before, or which comes after, is not available, as such.
However, when we compare what Revelation 20 says occurs after the 1000 years with what scripture says occurs after the return of Christ, we should have the scriptural support needed for a definitive answer.
What scripture says occurs after his return is the Judgment of all. What Revelation 20 says occurs after the 1000 years is the Judgment of all.
31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne.
32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.
13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done.
Same event/different language/ same time/ one and only
These are two different events.
The first event
- the separation of the sheep and the goats (the sheep and the goats being "people of the nations" who are not anointed/not Christians) occurs when Christ returns. Christ does the separating. The goats are not destroyed, they are cast out. And the sheep who are being invited into the Kingdom on the basis of how they (unknowingly) treated Christ ("Whatever you did for a least one of these brothers of mine, you did for me..."
), are not Christians (anointed ones). But I have shared this on previous occasions, as I received from my dear Lord.
Also, how can Christians who have come to life at the start of the thousand years, then be among the dead who are resurrected (some to judgment and the second death... and some to life) at the end of the thousand years?
The second event
- this is the Judgment, and the Father
is the One who sits and judges from the white throne (even though Christ has all authority given to Him, He judges no one, but leaves the judgment to His Father, the Ancient of Days).
One other difference between the two events:
The sheep and the goats are physically
alive when Christ returns (and the separation of the sheep and the goats begins). But the dead at the second resurrection are physically dead (hence Death and Hades must give them UP).
If I have misread or misunderstood anything in your exchanges, I apologize, and feel free to disregard (or point out my misunderstanding).
Peace again to you all,
your servant and a slave of Christ,