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tam wrote:
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Ah, Pinseeker, truth is not always what people WANT to hear.
On this we can most certainly agree, my dear friend. Yes, I agree. Grace and peace to you.

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onewithhim wrote:
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Is there anyone here who likes the idea of a beautiful landscape, waterfalls, animals --even tigers and wolves--frolicking with children, good food, meeting again your once-deceased family members and friends in the flesh, and the house of your dreams? Many people think of heaven like that, but heaven doesn't have material things like those things, nor does it allow flesh to exist there. Doesn't paradise on Earth really sound good to you?
Sure, I like the idea... until I follow the idea to its logical conclusion.

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bluegreenearth wrote:
Thu Jul 09, 2020 7:39 pm
onewithhim wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:46 pm
Is there anyone here who likes the idea of a beautiful landscape, waterfalls, animals --even tigers and wolves--frolicking with children, good food, meeting again your once-deceased family members and friends in the flesh, and the house of your dreams? Many people think of heaven like that, but heaven doesn't have material things like those things, nor does it allow flesh to exist there. Doesn't paradise on Earth really sound good to you?
Sure, I like the idea... until I follow the idea to its logical conclusion.
And what conclusion your opinion would that be ?
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JehovahsWitness wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 12:42 am
And what conclusion your opinion would that be ?
A logical conclusion is not an opinion, but someone can form an opinion about a logical conclusion. In any case, I intended for my response to invite some critical thinking. As such, you are invited to engage in that intellectual exercise yourself. What logical conclusion do you arrive at?

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bluegreenearth wrote:
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What logical conclusion do you arrive at?
That the hope of a paradise earth is a wonderful promise from God found in the bible and that there is good reason to believe in those promises.


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JehovahsWitness wrote:
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bluegreenearth wrote:
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What logical conclusion do you arrive at?
That the hope of a paradise earth is a wonderful promise from God found in the bible and one that there is good reason to believe in.
Please describe the logical thought progression that justifies belief in that conclusion.
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bluegreenearth wrote:
Sat Jul 11, 2020 11:53 am

Please describe the logical thought progression that justifies belief in that conclusion.
The will of an omnipotent God cannot be negated.
#1 The universe and life in it testifies to the existence of a Creator

#2 The bible has has proven itself to be the revealed Word of that Creator which records his true nature

#3 The Creator of the universe has expressed his will and purpose in that bible for an eventual paradise earth.


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JehovahsWitness wrote:
Sat Jul 11, 2020 12:05 pm
bluegreenearth wrote:
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Please describe the logical thought progression that justifies belief in that conclusion.
The will of an omnipotent God cannot be negated.
#1 The universe and life in it testifies to the existence of a Creator

#2 The bible has has proven itself to be the revealed Word of that Creator which records his true nature

#3 The Creator of the universe has expressed his will and purpose in that bible for an eventual paradise earth.
#1 has not been demonstrated to be true. You've also not demonstrated where the possibility for the universe to have emerged from a more fundamental quantum state has been ruled-out.

#2 has not been demonstrated to be true. You've also not demonstrated where the possibility for the Bible to be entirely human-made has been ruled-out.

#3 has not been demonstrated to be true for the same reason as #2.

Please describe how the logically necessary objective of ruling-out those possibilities was achieved.

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bluegreenearth wrote:
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The will of an omnipotent God cannot be negated.
#1 The universe and life in it testifies to the existence of a Creator

#1 has not been demonstrated to be true.
I spoke of testimony not of demonstration. The origins of the universe cannot be demonstrated to anyone but those present at the time. The testimony presented by the universe, and those that claim to be writing under divine inspiration can (like all testimony) be believed or disbelieve. Like many, upon examination of saide evidence, I find compelling reason to believe.




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