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Paradise on Earth

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When I learned that the Bible speaks of a restored Garden of Eden and the restoration of mankind to the perfection and endless life that Adam forfeited, I was thrilled. Who doesn't want to keep living on this beautiful earth, with our loved ones, and being able to do all the things we love to do---endlessly?

If God said to you today, "When do you want to die?" would you say "now!!"? I don't think very many people would say that.

We CAN live forever here on Earth. The Bible tells us that we can.

Matthew 5:5
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Revelations won wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:55 pm
You also stated: “The Holy (the most sacred part of the temple) is heaven.”

May I kindly remind you that the most sacred part of God’s temple is “The Holy of Holies” according to the Bible.


Yes I stand corrected, I should have said the inner compartment of the temple beyond) the curtain was called the "Most Holy" (or the Holy of Holies). See my corrected statement below:
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The Most Holy (also known as "The Holy of Holy" (the most sacred part of the temple) represented where of Jehovah himself resides in heaven. The High Priest, Jesus. The sacrifices replaced with the one perfect sacrifice of his human life, the priests the born again Christians, the courtyard , worshippers while on earth.. ect. Please read Paul's exposee in the book of Hebrews chapter 9 & 10 for a more detailed explanation.

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IS IT BIBLICALLY SOUND TO SAY THE MOST HOLY REPRESENTED THE ANTITYPICAL LOCATION IN HEAVEN WHERE ALMIGHTY GOD RESIDES?


HEBREWS 9:24

For Christ did not enter into a holy place made with hands, which is a copy of the reality, but into heaven itself, so that he now appears before* God on our behalf.

We Jehovahs Witnesses believe the above as stated in Hebreews 9:24
Revelations won wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:55 pm
May I remind you .... that after the that temple was destroyed we find according to Revelations 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God...

This is refering not to any literal building on earth but to Gods spiritual temple namely the arrangement for worship that has existed since 33 CE.




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Revelations won wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:55 pm


You also said: “The true religion in the past was that centered on the Jewish temple system but that is no longer the case and never will be again.”

I and a lot of our brethren of the tribe of Judah may respectfully disagree with you on this point.
I dont care. My only concern is what God thinks as expressed through his word the bible. Jesus made it clear back in the first century that the days of worshipping on literal mount Zion were numbered.

JOHN 4:21

Jesus said to her: “Believe me, woman, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father.
The Jewish temple system had served its purpose and was to be replaced with and international body of worshippers that would look to heaven, not any visible mountain or at a physical temple as their "center of worship" (compare Gal 3:24 ; John 4:24). Christians are not under the Mosaic law and there is no mandate in the Christian scriptures to worship at Jerusalem.






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Revelations won wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:55 pm
May I remind you that the temple was STILL the most holy place of worship in Christ’s day ...
Yes the literal temple was the center for true worship right up until the death of Christ. Forty days after his death and resurrection a new covenant system of worship came into effect. God's exclusive relationship with the Jewish people came God an end and due to their unfaithfulcness so did their right to be known as His special property.

MATTHEW 23: 37, 38

Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets and stoner of those sent to her+—how often I wanted to gather your children together the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings! But you did not want it. Look! Your house is abandoned to you.

The torch was passed to born again, spirit anointed Cnristians (of any ethnicity) and Israel as a nation and it's temple was rejected by God for its unfaithfulness to eventually be completely destroyed.




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Revelations won wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:55 pm
May I remind you .... that after the that temple was destroyed we find according to Revelations 3:12 ...I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

The Holy city / New Jerusalem refers not to any literal brick aand stone city on earth but to the resurrected born again Christians that make up the bride of Christ. They collectivly make up The kingdom Government that will rule with Christ over the earth for 1000 years.



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Revelations won wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:55 pm
May I also remind you that there will yet be built a mighty holy temple to be built in Jerusalem by our Jewish friends. This will be built with all features including the “Holy of Holies” as in former dispensations.


I couldn't care less. If it does happen it will have nothing to do with any prophecies about pure worship. Apostate Judaism or any Christian Zionist movements are as much a part of Babylon the Great as any other false religion.









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Revelations won wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:55 pm
Also according to the prophet Daniel ... how this kingdom you claim was set up by him on that date?
The kingdom was not set up in 1919 and I didn't claim it was.
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 11:11 am
The prophecies have their mainfulfillment "during the last days" which began in 1914.



Revelations won wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:55 pm
Also according to the prophet Daniel ” Can you show exactly What God did in 1919” ...?
The date 1919 is one that can be arrived at with hindsight, as history indicates that as of that year, true Christans broke free from Babylon the Great (false religion) and started to proclaim the newly installed kingdom.
DANIEL 12:4

As for you, Daniel, keep the words secret, and seal up the book until the time of the end. Many will rove about, and the true knowledge will become abundant.”
What did God do at this time ? He started to unseal bible truths so that "true knowledge [became] abundant"







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Revelations won wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:19 am
2. Daniel also spoke of the God of heaven setting up a kingdom which would never be destroyed which shall break in pieces all other kingdoms…
Daniel 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

Where and when was this kingdom set up?


It was set up in heaven, in 1914



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Re: Paradise on Earth

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Dear JW,

You said:

“The date 1919 is one that can be arrived at with hindsight, as history indicates that as of that year, true Christans broke free from Babylon the Great (false religion) and started to proclaim the newly installed kingdom.”

So what you are saying is that all others than “born again” Christians will not be saved. Is this correct?

And how do you know who is or is not among that class?

So everyone else is going to hell?

I asked you what did God do in 1919?

You also said: “What did God do at this time ? He started to unseal bible truths so that "true knowledge [became] abundant

So before 1919, according to your statement, God kept everyone in the dark and they lacked true knowledge of Bible truths because they were sealed.

So, before 1919 according to your post, are all people prior to 1919 not saved?

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Revelations won wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 9:07 am Dear JW,

You said:

“The date 1919 is one that can be arrived at with hindsight, as history indicates that as of that year, true Christans broke free from Babylon the Great (false religion) and started to proclaim the newly installed kingdom.”

So what you are saying is that all others than “born again” Christians will not be saved. Is this correct?
I have no idea how you deduced that from what I said (I didn't even mention the word "saved"). No that is not correct at all I am NOT saying that all others than “born again” Christians will not be saved



Revelations won wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 9:07 amSo, before 1919 according to your post, are all people prior to 1919 not saved?
I have no idea why you keep introducing the idea of salvation. I am not talking about who will be saved or not, nor am I saying nobody prior to 1919 will be saved.



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