Is Jewish Jesus and Christian Christ the same person?

[dio9]

Is Jewish Jesus and Christian Christ the same person?

Point being, Jesus did not fulfill the Jewish expectation for the Messiah. The Christian Christ fulfilled a different role as the sacrificial savior. How do we bridge our Christian Christ with Jewish Jesus?

Do you think Jesus thought of himself as the Divine second person of the holy trinity?

[dio9]

And wouldn't sons of God naturally live in the kingdom heaven?

What is God's kingdom?

Are you saying you don't know?
What I say is a son of God can live nowhere else. The kingdom of God is where the sons and daughters of God live. Are we there yet? No , but John 1:11 says Christ gives us the power to be sons (and daughters) of God.

[dio9]

[Replying to post 10 by Willum]

Willum , you are arguing Jesus was not Jewish so could not have been the Jewish Messiah , right?

Just to clarify , do you argue he is the Christian Christ then?

or what?

is he the legit Christian Christ? Got to be one or the other.

who do you think he was ?


_ Messiah

_Christ

_Something else

[JehovahsWitness]

And wouldn't sons of God naturally live in the kingdom heaven?

What is God's kingdom?

Are you saying you don't know?
What I say is a son of God can live nowhere else. The kingdom of God is where the sons and daughters of God live. Are we there yet? No , but John 1:11 says Christ gives us the power to be sons (and daughters) of God.

I didn't ask where it is, I asked WHAT it is. You brought it up, its therefore a legitimate question.

[dio9]

And wouldn't sons of God naturally live in the kingdom heaven?

What is God's kingdom?

Are you saying you don't know?
What I say is a son of God can live nowhere else. The kingdom of God is where the sons and daughters of God live. Are we there yet? No , but John 1:11 says Christ gives us the power to be sons (and daughters) of God.

I didn't ask where it is, I asked WHAT it is. You brought it up, its therefore a legitimate question.

how about this ; the kingdom of God is the place where the sons and daughters of God live.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 44 by dio9]

in other words, the earth?

[Monta]

[Replying to post 35 by dio9]

"If we define the mission of the Messiah as of giving the "power to become the sons of God". I would say he is successful , if believers do it, unfortunately I don't think most Christians dare to think of themselves as sons of God. In effect we make him the Messiah by fulfilling this charge, being sons of God. And wouldn't sons of God naturally live in the kingdom heaven?"

From my experience I'd say that all true Christians see
themselves as children/sons (not Sons) of God.

[Blastcat]

[Replying to post 46 by Monta]



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Sexist language used by some religious people[/center]

From my experience I'd say that all true Christians see
themselves as children/sons (not Sons) of God.

Yeah.. what' UP with all of that sexism?
Isn't it time to refresh the Bible?

SONS of God?
Where are the DAUGHTERS?


[center]Women aren't as invisible as they USED to be.[/center]

[dio9]

[Replying to post 44 by dio9]

in other words, the earth?

sure , and then in spirit forever. Life you see is eternal, it animates the body for a time. We are actually spirit with a body.

In response to your asking what heaven is ; Heaven is a unity of divine and human , the uncreated resonating within the created. The kingdom of God is happening now for some and it could be happening for more. The kingdom is like a mustard seed. This is the good news.

[dio9]

[Replying to post 35 by dio9]

"If we define the mission of the Messiah as of giving the "power to become the sons of God". I would say he is successful , if believers do it, unfortunately I don't think most Christians dare to think of themselves as sons of God. In effect we make him the Messiah by fulfilling this charge, being sons of God. And wouldn't sons of God naturally live in the kingdom heaven?"

From my experience I'd say that all true Christians see
themselves as children/sons (not Sons) of God.

I think we are in agreement here, I only say "sons" for convenience , I do mean daughters too. As I see it , a man alone cannot be completely human. Human is man and woman together, in the Taoist sense.
I read somewhere the ancient Hebrew word Adam means human and they are created in his image male and female.

[Blastcat]

[Replying to post 48 by dio9]

We are actually spirit with a body.

We are ACTUALLY that?

How did you figure that one out?