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JESUS IS NOT YHWH

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Jesus prayed to YHWH, the Father, not to himself. (E.g., Matthew 26:39,42; John 11:41,42; John 17:1-26.) Would he have been praying to himself?

He continually referred to himself as "God's SON," not YHWH Himself. (John 5:19; John 8:28,29; John 10:36; John 17:1.) Even the Jews who hated him recognized that fact (John 19:7). Can he be his own Son?

He applied Isaiah 61:1,2 to himself, at Luke 4:17-21, showing that he was the one anointed BY YHWH, and sent BY YHWH. There are incontrovertibly two Persons mentioned in the passage, and YHWH is the One calling the shots. The anointed one does what YHWH wants. How could they be the same Person?

Psalm 110 is also applied to Jesus at Acts 2:34,35. He is the "Lord," or Messiah, that YHWH speaks to. Was YHWH talking to Himself?


I think that just these few points would show plainly that Jesus is not YHWH. Can anyone explain how THESE REFERENCES, ABOVE, can possibly agree with the premise that Jesus is YHWH? I'm not asking for other Scriptures to be brought in without commenting ON the verses I am asking about. Please give me your reasoning concerning these particular Scriptures. Thank you.

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onewithhim wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:39 pm
101G wrote: Tue Mar 16, 2021 12:17 pm [Replying to onewithhim in post #529]
then you have two creators, and two makers. which is none biblical, so do you wish to try again?

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No, I'm sorry you can't see what is being said. There is ONE Source of the power of creation---Jehovah, the Father. He GAVE His Son the ability and His approval to create. As I Corinthians 8:6 tells us---all things were made THROUGH Jesus. Jehovah did His creating by means of His Son, Jesus. So they both can be considered "creators," but only one is the Source of that creation ability.

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onewithhim wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 10:24 am
onewithhim wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:39 pm
101G wrote: Tue Mar 16, 2021 12:17 pm [Replying to onewithhim in post #529]
then you have two creators, and two makers. which is none biblical, so do you wish to try again?

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No, I'm sorry you can't see what is being said. There is ONE Source of the power of creation---Jehovah, the Father. He GAVE His Son the ability and His approval to create. As I Corinthians 8:6 tells us---all things were made THROUGH Jesus. Jehovah did His creating by means of His Son, Jesus. So they both can be considered "creators," but only one is the Source of that creation ability.

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onewithhim wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:39 pm
101G wrote: Tue Mar 16, 2021 12:17 pm [Replying to onewithhim in post #529]
then you have two creators, and two makers. which is none biblical, so do you wish to try again?

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No, I'm sorry you can't see what is being said. There is ONE Source of the power of creation---Jehovah, the Father. He GAVE His Son the ability and His approval to create. As I Corinthians 8:6 tells us---all things were made THROUGH Jesus. Jehovah did His creating by means of His Son, Jesus. So they both can be considered "creators," but only one is the Source of that creation ability.
First thanks for the replies, second, we must disagree with your assessment. and here's why. Isaiah 44:24 states, "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;" well, he was alone, and by himself, so he didn't go through anyone.

now as to 1 Corinthians 8:6 "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him."
here clearly Jesus the Christ is Lord, meaning the Ordinal Last, which all men come "by", so that's not revelation there. and as for the statement you made concerning ... "Jehovah, the Father. He GAVE His Son the ability and His approval to create". this is clearly discredit by the Lord Jesus HIMSELF, listen, while talking to the Pharisees concerning divorcement, the Lord Jesus, whom you said, "Jehovah, the Father. He GAVE His Son the ability and His approval to create". said this, listen closely, Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female," well that just ended the statement you made about the Father giving the son the power and approval to create. I suggest you read Matthews 19:4 again. the Son said clearly, and Jesus don't LIE, said he... meaning the Ordinal First, CREATED, and MADE all things.

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101G wrote: Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:20 pm [Replying to Falling Light 101 in post #522]

GINOLJC, to all.
First, God is a "Person", just not Three. for another word for "PERSON", is Soul, which God have, Isaiah 1:14 (kjv).

and to address the topic, is the Person in John 1:3 the same Person in Isaiah 44:24 who MADE ALL THINGS? Yes, or NO. that would answer the topic question.

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Definition of person: a human being regarded as an individual.

So God is a human?

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myth-one.com wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 4:44 pm
101G wrote: Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:20 pm [Replying to Falling Light 101 in post #522]

GINOLJC, to all.
First, God is a "Person", just not Three. for another word for "PERSON", is Soul, which God have, Isaiah 1:14 (kjv).

and to address the topic, is the Person in John 1:3 the same Person in Isaiah 44:24 who MADE ALL THINGS? Yes, or NO. that would answer the topic question.

101G.
Definition of person: a human being regarded as an individual.

So God is a human?
first thanks for your reply, second is not God an individual? and WHAT!, you think humans have the lock and key on being HUMAN? our God is a Spirit "PERSON", who have a SOUL, who "SHARED" himself in FLESH as a man, per Phil. 2:6-8. and we hunans are in HIS PERSON "IMAGE", not our own, but in his PERSON.

now as for God coming in his "OWN" image, do you not believe that the "PERSON" in John 1:3 is the same one "PERSON" in Isaiah 44:24? yes or No. will be looking forward to your answer. thanks in advance.

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101G wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 5:24 pm
myth-one.com wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 4:44 pm
101G wrote: Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:20 pm [Replying to Falling Light 101 in post #522]

GINOLJC, to all.
First, God is a "Person", just not Three. for another word for "PERSON", is Soul, which God have, Isaiah 1:14 (kjv).

and to address the topic, is the Person in John 1:3 the same Person in Isaiah 44:24 who MADE ALL THINGS? Yes, or NO. that would answer the topic question.

101G.
Definition of person: a human being regarded as an individual.

So God is a human?
first thanks for your reply, second is not God an individual? and WHAT!, you think humans have the lock and key on being HUMAN? our God is a Spirit "PERSON", who have a SOUL, who "SHARED" himself in FLESH as a man, per Phil. 2:6-8. and we hunans are in HIS PERSON "IMAGE", not our own, but in his PERSON.

now as for God coming in his "OWN" image, do you not believe that the "PERSON" in John 1:3 is the same one "PERSON" in Isaiah 44:24? yes or No. will be looking forward to your answer. thanks in advance.

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God is a Spirit:

God is a Spirit: . . . (John 4:24)

Our God is a Spirit, NOT a "spirit person."

John 1:3 refers to the Word, who is God, who is a Spirit:

John 1:

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.


There are no "persons" in the Kingdom of God.

Flesh and blood persons cannot inherit the Kingdom of God.

Persons can only enter the Kingdom of God by being born again of the Spirit as a spirit.

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God is a Spirit:

God is a Spirit: . . . (John 4:24)

Our God is a Spirit, NOT a "spirit person."

John 1:3 refers to the Word, who is God, who is a Spirit:

John 1:

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

ok, Good, the Word is a Spirit, and God is a Spirit, so are they the same one Spirit, or two separate Spirits?

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101G wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 8:52 pm [Replying to myth-one.com in post #537]

God is a Spirit:

God is a Spirit: . . . (John 4:24)

Our God is a Spirit, NOT a "spirit person."

John 1:3 refers to the Word, who is God, who is a Spirit:

John 1:

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

ok, Good, the Word is a Spirit, and God is a Spirit, so are they the same one Spirit, or two separate Spirits?

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Two separate.

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myth-one.com wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:10 pm
101G wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 8:52 pm [Replying to myth-one.com in post #537]

God is a Spirit:

God is a Spirit: . . . (John 4:24)

Our God is a Spirit, NOT a "spirit person."

John 1:3 refers to the Word, who is God, who is a Spirit:

John 1:

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

ok, Good, the Word is a Spirit, and God is a Spirit, so are they the same one Spirit, or two separate Spirits?

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Two separate.
Ephesians 4:4 "There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;"
and for the Lord the Spirit, who is Christ, 2 Corinthians 3:17 "Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty."

there is no two separate Spirits of God. there is only "ONE", Spirit.

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101G wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:24 pm
myth-one.com wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:10 pm
101G wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 8:52 pm [Replying to myth-one.com in post #537]

God is a Spirit:

God is a Spirit: . . . (John 4:24)

Our God is a Spirit, NOT a "spirit person."

John 1:3 refers to the Word, who is God, who is a Spirit:

John 1:

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

ok, Good, the Word is a Spirit, and God is a Spirit, so are they the same one Spirit, or two separate Spirits?

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101G.
Two separate.
Ephesians 4:4 "There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;"
and for the Lord the Spirit, who is Christ, 2 Corinthians 3:17 "Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty."

there is no two separate Spirits of God. there is only "ONE", Spirit.

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There is only one God the Father.

But every spiritual being in the Kingdom of God can be called a godly being.

Just as every man in the earthly kingdom of mankind can be called a human.

There are about 7,752,843,888 humans living on the world as of March 30, 2021.

No man knows how many gods live within the Kingdom of God.

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