In the first three pages of just this thread, you have no problem explaining your position in addition to OR without quoting verses from the bible at all.
The bible *is* my answer: isn't the scripture plain enough?
If scripture was plain enough on this forum to answer only with them, then why would any of us use any words other than quoting the bible? If the scripture was plain enough, then why do religions (such as your own) need to produce extra-biblical tracts and books in order to explain what they believe the scriptures mean?
REVELATION 3:21
To the one who is victorious, I will grant the right to sit with Me on My throne, just as I overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.
You asked me where they will rule and the scipture says they will rule "with Jesus".
Where will Jesus be? that be "
with the Father" on his throne?
Where is the Father?
tam wrote: He [The Father] is in the spiritual realm.
So you will use some of MY words on where the Father is, to state in a roundabout way that you believe Christ (and the Bride) will rule from the spiritual realm, but you couldn't simply state that answer for yourself?
Why the prevarication? Unless perhaps you realized that the answers to those questions I asked you would reveal that what I have shared IS scriptural and follows more logically even according to things that you believe, despite the WTS teaching something else?
Because you asked:
But isn't new Jerusalem the bride? Jesus isn't his bride he is married to her. How do you know she doesn't come down "OUT OF" heaven while Jesus is with her in the same way God is with her?... JW
Why ask this question when you already accept that the New Jerusalem rules with Christ,
wherever Christ may be? This is why I used New Jerusalem as an example to begin with.
(***And if Christ were only going to be with His Bride in the way that you seem to be trying to suggest (via the spirit - whatever that means to you - but not in person) then I would remind you that Christ is with His Bride in that way right NOW, and has been with her in that way since the very first outpouring by Him of holy spirit, almost two thousand years ago. Yet we are talking about a future coming; the time that Paul is speaking about in the very verse under question.)
You also asked this question:
If God "comes down to earth" in some other sense all the while still actually being in heaven in the spirit realm, could this not be a clue as to what Jesus does? ie "come down to earth" but not actually leave the spirit realm...
Hence, I responded no, and followed that up with the scripture about New Jerusalem coming down OUT OF heaven (coming down OUT OF the spiritual realm).***
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So we both accept that the Bride reigns with Christ (in the same place as). We can both read that the Bride (the New Jerusalem) comes down
OUT OF heaven. Scripture also states that she reigns as kings and priests upon the earth with Christ. I realize that the WTS likes to translate that as 'over' the earth; but 'upon' the earth is more in keeping with the New Jerusalem coming down OUT OF heaven, among other things, and also with the words that "the meek shall inherit the earth (A - who is meeker than Christ?
Meek before God. And b - would not the Bride be listed among the meek - she who obeys the commands of Christ and follows Him wherever He goes; listening to His voice?)
Christ has been given all authority in heaven
AND on earth.
Peace again to you and to your loved ones,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy