Is the book of Revelation fact or fiction?

polonius · Post by **polonius** » Wed May 23, 2018 1:29 pm

The following writing seems to address the status of the Book of Revlation accurately.

REVELATION: Fact or Fiction?
March 27, 2011 by Derrick Garland Coy

Recently I was watching MSNBCâ€™s Lawrence Oâ€™Donnell on his show, The Last Word, when, in responding to a rival TV host who claimed that the Japanese earthquake and tsunami were evidence of the last days as depicted in the book of Revelation, he retorted, â€œThe book of Revelation is a work of fiction that describes how a truly vicious God would bring about the end of the world. No half-smart religious person actually believes the book of Revelation anymore. Those people are certain that their God would never turn into a malicious torturer and mass murderer beyond Hitlerâ€™s wildest dreams.â€�

Opinions (with evidence please).

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Sat Jun 30, 2018 2:01 am

EBA wrote: The book of Revelation has nothing to do with "end-time prophecy;" it is "The revealing of JESUS CHRIST"

God Bless.

The book of Revelation has everything to do with "end time prophecy" .

It was primarily written for us living in "the Lord's day" which we (Jehovah's Witness) believe started in 1914 and continues to our present time. We have already seen, according to our interpretation, many of the events prophecies fulfilled in the late 19th and early 20th century and others we believe are being fulfilled before our very eyes. The climax of the book of Revelation (the destruction of the wicked and the establishment of peace on earth under one world goverment) is, we believe yet in the (near) future.

JEHOVAHS WITNESS

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polonius · Post by **polonius** » Sat Jun 30, 2018 8:13 pm

JehovahsWitness wrote:
EBA wrote: The book of Revelation has nothing to do with "end-time prophecy;" it is "The revealing of JESUS CHRIST"

God Bless.
The book of Revelation has everything to do with "end time prophecy" .

It was primarily written for us living in "the Lord's day" which we (Jehovah's Witness) believe started in 1914 and continues to our present time. We have already seen, according to our interpretation, many of the events prophecies fulfilled in the late 19th and early 20th century and others we believe are being fulfilled before our very eyes. The climax of the book of Revelation (the destruction of the wicked and the establishment of peace on earth under one world goverment) is, we believe yet in the (near) future.

JEHOVAHS WITNESS

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RESPONSE: "according to our interpretation"? Please name a few.

polonius · Post by **polonius** » Sat Jun 30, 2018 8:34 pm

http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/1800s.php
In 1876, Russell became interested in time prophecy, after reading a copy of Barbour's publication Herald of the Morning. The end had not come in 1874, as the Adventists had predicted. However, Barbour explained that Matthew 24:27 meant Jesus' invisible presence commenced in 1874, the rapture would be 1878, and the end of the world was to occur in 1914. (See Watch Tower, 1906 July 15 for a detailed account.)
In Russell's doctrinal chronology the most important dates were 1874 and 1914:
"The chapter in SCRIPTURE STUDIES, Vol. II, showing the parallels between the Jewish and Christian Dispensations, makes prominent four dates, viz., (1) October, 1874; (2) April, 1878; (3) October, 1881, and (4) October, 1914;" Watch Tower 1911 June 15 p.190

However, Jesus was supposed to have said:
Matthew 24:30 Jesus said,
â€œAnd then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in lamentation, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.â€�

Evidently then according to the Bible, Jesus was wrong.

dio9 · Post by **dio9** » Sat Jun 30, 2018 9:11 pm

The book of revelations is a work in the wide genera of Apolitical literature popular in its age, fact or fiction the book had meaning for the people it was written for or to. Today we really can't say what the message of the author was. But it is a beautiful example of revelatory literature and that's a fact.

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 2:15 am

polonius.advice wrote:
Matthew 24:30 Jesus said,
â€œAnd then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in lamentation, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.â€�

Evidently then according to the Bible, Jesus was wrong.

Why do you say that?

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 2:17 am

polonius.advice wrote:RESPONSE: "according to our interpretation"? Please name a few.

Name a few what?

polonius · Post by **polonius** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 7:52 am

JehovahsWitness wrote:
polonius.advice wrote:
Matthew 24:30 Jesus said,
â€œAnd then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in lamentation, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.â€�

Evidently then according to the Bible, Jesus was wrong.
Why do you say that?

RESPONSE: Because it hasn't happened. Mankind did not "see" any return of Jesus.

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 8:02 am

polonius.advice wrote:
JehovahsWitness wrote:
polonius.advice wrote:
Matthew 24:30 Jesus said,
â€œAnd then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in lamentation, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.â€�

Evidently then according to the Bible, Jesus was wrong.
Why do you say that?
RESPONSE: Because it hasn't happened. Mankind did not "see" any return of Jesus.

Yet. I hasn't happened YET. That event to which Jesus referred to at Matthew 24:30 is, I believe, yet in the future. Only at the end of time can one declare what Jesus said to be "a lie"; until then all one can say is it hasn't happened "yet".

To which I reply the fat lady has yet to sing.

JW

EBA · Post by **EBA** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 9:27 pm

JehovahsWitness wrote:
EBA wrote: The book of Revelation has nothing to do with "end-time prophecy;" it is "The revealing of JESUS CHRIST"

God Bless.
It was primarily written for us living in "the Lord's day" which we (Jehovah's Witness) believe started in 1914 and continues to our present time.

If that is true, why do you suppose both Peter and Paul received that revelation?

Also, Why has that "day" lasted 104 years, so far?

Peace.

brianbbs67 · Post by **brianbbs67** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:21 am

The best response I can give to everyone is, the one I was given.

"It is not given for you to know these things"

Christ , himself , did know know the hour or day. In fact, no one in Heaven does. Speculating is fun, but in this case will lead to nothing. We have been told so.

The end will come, because we had a beginning. Be right with the Lord and worry not. Even though it comes.

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