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Imprecise Interrupt wrote:
The Codex Sinaiticus dates to the 4th century, As can be seen
here, the 4th century scribes thought that verses 24-28 were all one paragraph. In the right-hand panel, scroll around and you will see that verse 23 completes a paragraph (trailing blank space) and verse 24 begins a paragraph (reverse indent on first line). Verse 28 does not start a new paragraph. It ends a paragraph. 17:1 begins a new paragraph.
It is easier to see all this if you click off the image button above the right pane, making the right panel larger. With the image button clicked on, you can see in the left panel that these paragraph indicators exist in the original manuscript.
The 4th century scribes thought that verse 28 was part of the same thought as verses 24-27. Were they wrong?
Anyone can be wrong and anyone can be right.
What those scribes thought is of interest, but each of us must make our own judgment based on the wider context.
Here is some wider context:
Matthew 24:34 Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place
Here are all the other uses Matthew makes use of the phrase ‘this generation’.
Mt 11:6 “But to what shall I compare this generation? It is like children sitting in the marketplaces and calling to their playmates,
Mt 12:41-42 The men of Nineveh will rise up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it, for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and behold, something greater than Jonah is here.
The queen of the South will rise up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it, for she came from the ends of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon, and behold, something greater than Solomon is here.
Mt 23:36 Truly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.
If ‘this generation’ in Mat 24:34 in the Oliver Discourse is not the generation alive when Jesus spoke, despite that being its meaning in all the other uses of the phrase in Matthew, then we are left with the rather odd statement “the generation that is alive when Jesus returns will not all be dead yet�. And this requires Jesus to say ‘Truly, I say to you�?
With respect, the usage of the term "this generation", and its identity, is a separate topic that has its own current thread.
The "wider context" I had in mind was a number of verses surrounding the two that this thread is about.
That is, those from 16:5 to 17:13.
This is a passage that could have been a chapter, of just Jesus and his disciples chatting together, about a number of topics.
With respect, the term ‘this generation’ is completely relevant to this discussion, being the ‘wider context’ of Matthew 16:27-28, illustrating its meaning.
Concerning Matthew 17, is this the idea that Matthew 28 is talking about the Transfiguration?
If so…
… are you saying that 16:27 has no connection with 16:28. According to Matthew’s extended Olivet Discourse (included chapter 25), it is when
King Jesus returns that each will be repaid according to what he has done. The Transfiguration makes no mention of a kingdom, which v.28 does. Also, does it not strike you as odd that Jesus would say that of the disciples Jesus was talking to, not all of them would be dead in the next six days? Recall also that there were only three witnesses to the Transfiguration anyway.
Matthew 16
24 Then Jesus told his disciples, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. 25 For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. 26 For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul? Or what shall a man give in return for his soul? 27 For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done. 28 Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.�
Matthew 17
1 And after six days Jesus took with him Peter and James, and John his brother, and led them up a high mountain by themselves. 2 And he was transfigured before them, and his face shone like the sun, and his clothes became white as light. 3 And behold, there appeared to them Moses and Elijah, talking with him. 4 And Peter said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good that we are here. If you wish, I will make three tents here, one for you and one for Moses and one for Elijah.� 5 He was still speaking when, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased; listen to him.� 6 When the disciples heard this, they fell on their faces and were terrified. 7 But Jesus came and touched them, saying, “Rise, and have no fear.� 8 And when they lifted up their eyes, they saw no one but Jesus only.
If you are not talking about the Transfiguration, what are you talking about that separates verse 27 and 28 as distinct subjects?