JESUS IS NOT GOD

[onewithhim]

I would very much like to get opinions on this subject. I'll provide several verses from the King James Version of the Bible, and I ask you to give me feed-back.


Jesus' words:

1) "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19)

2) "My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me." (John 7:16)

3) "Neither came I of myself, but he sent me." (John 8:42)

He replied, after the Pharisees accused him of making himself God:
4) "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the SON of God?" (John 10:36)

5) "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say....Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." (John 12:49,50)

6) To his Father in prayer: "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God , and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." (John 17:3)

7) "I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God." (John 20:17)

To John in the Revelation:
8) "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God..." (Revelation 3:12)



Do these quotations show that Jesus was NOT God?

Do YOU believe that he claimed to be God?

[detniona]

[Replying to Tcg in post #3]

Who is your Savoir?

A. God
B. Jesus
D. God is Jesus
C. None of the above.

Your answer_____________

When I was about 3 years old my dad saved me from getting kidnapped. When I was 25 surfer Dave saved me from crashing into a rock jetty he even broke his board to do so. My dad is dead now so I guess it comes down to surfer Dave. Surfer Dave is or rather was my savior that one day anyway.


Tcg

I take it wisdom is not your strong suit.

Why would you assert that? Surfer Dave actually did something to save me. What could be a wiser choice?


Tcg

I wasn't talking about surfer Dave, I was talking about you.
And I was correct.

I didn't claim you did. I explained how wise it is of me to pick surfer Dave for my answer to your question. Perhaps you missed my question to you. What could be a wiser choice? Do you have an answer?


Tcg

I don't need you to explain anything to me I can read what you posted.
How could I miss it you posted it, did it disappear? My answer was my reply.

[Tcg]

[Replying to Tcg in post #3]

Who is your Savoir?

A. God
B. Jesus
D. God is Jesus
C. None of the above.

Your answer_____________

When I was about 3 years old my dad saved me from getting kidnapped. When I was 25 surfer Dave saved me from crashing into a rock jetty he even broke his board to do so. My dad is dead now so I guess it comes down to surfer Dave. Surfer Dave is or rather was my savior that one day anyway.


Tcg

I take it wisdom is not your strong suit.

Why would you assert that? Surfer Dave actually did something to save me. What could be a wiser choice?


Tcg

I wasn't talking about surfer Dave, I was talking about you.
And I was correct.

I didn't claim you did. I explained how wise it is of me to pick surfer Dave for my answer to your question. Perhaps you missed my question to you. What could be a wiser choice? Do you have an answer?


Tcg

I don't need you to explain anything to me I can read what you posted.
How could I miss it you posted it, did it disappear? My answer was my reply.

No, it didn't disappear. Your reply contains no answer to my question.


Tcg

[detniona]

[Replying to Tcg in post #3]

Who is your Savoir?

A. God
B. Jesus
D. God is Jesus
C. None of the above.

Your answer_____________

When I was about 3 years old my dad saved me from getting kidnapped. When I was 25 surfer Dave saved me from crashing into a rock jetty he even broke his board to do so. My dad is dead now so I guess it comes down to surfer Dave. Surfer Dave is or rather was my savior that one day anyway.


Tcg

I take it wisdom is not your strong suit.

Why would you assert that? Surfer Dave actually did something to save me. What could be a wiser choice?


Tcg

I wasn't talking about surfer Dave, I was talking about you.
And I was correct.

I didn't claim you did. I explained how wise it is of me to pick surfer Dave for my answer to your question. Perhaps you missed my question to you. What could be a wiser choice? Do you have an answer?


Tcg

I don't need you to explain anything to me I can read what you posted.
How could I miss it you posted it, did it disappear? My answer was my reply.

Your reply contains no answer to my question.


Tcg

Prove it. Cut and paste any part of what I said that is not
my answer to your question.

[Tcg]

[Replying to Tcg in post #3]

Who is your Savoir?

A. God
B. Jesus
D. God is Jesus
C. None of the above.

Your answer_____________

When I was about 3 years old my dad saved me from getting kidnapped. When I was 25 surfer Dave saved me from crashing into a rock jetty he even broke his board to do so. My dad is dead now so I guess it comes down to surfer Dave. Surfer Dave is or rather was my savior that one day anyway.


Tcg

I take it wisdom is not your strong suit.

Why would you assert that? Surfer Dave actually did something to save me. What could be a wiser choice?


Tcg

I wasn't talking about surfer Dave, I was talking about you.
And I was correct.

I didn't claim you did. I explained how wise it is of me to pick surfer Dave for my answer to your question. Perhaps you missed my question to you. What could be a wiser choice? Do you have an answer?


Tcg

I don't need you to explain anything to me I can read what you posted.
How could I miss it you posted it, did it disappear? My answer was my reply.

Your reply contains no answer to my question.


Tcg

Prove it. Cut and paste any part of what I said that is not
my answer to your question.

Well then feel free then to repeat was you think in your reply is an answer to my question. I asked what could be a wiser choice than surfer Dave and you offered no alternative.


Tcg

[detniona]

[Replying to Tcg in post #3]

Who is your Savoir?

A. God
B. Jesus
D. God is Jesus
C. None of the above.

Your answer_____________

When I was about 3 years old my dad saved me from getting kidnapped. When I was 25 surfer Dave saved me from crashing into a rock jetty he even broke his board to do so. My dad is dead now so I guess it comes down to surfer Dave. Surfer Dave is or rather was my savior that one day anyway.


Tcg

I take it wisdom is not your strong suit.

Why would you assert that? Surfer Dave actually did something to save me. What could be a wiser choice?


Tcg

I wasn't talking about surfer Dave, I was talking about you.
And I was correct.

I didn't claim you did. I explained how wise it is of me to pick surfer Dave for my answer to your question. Perhaps you missed my question to you. What could be a wiser choice? Do you have an answer?


Tcg

I don't need you to explain anything to me I can read what you posted.
How could I miss it you posted it, did it disappear? My answer was my reply.

Your reply contains no answer to my question.


Tcg

Prove it. Cut and paste any part of what I said that is not
my answer to your question.

Well then feel free then to repeat was you think in your reply is an answer to my question. I asked what could be a wiser choice than surfer Dave and you offered no alternative.


Tcg

You could not prove your statement. Therefore according to the rules
of the forum, it is none and void. You lose I win.

And this makes the second time I am telling you
I need not you to re tell me what you already told me.
I read it the first time.

[Tcg]

I read it the first time.

You may have read it, but you didn't answer it. The question stands unanswered. The reason for that will remain a mystery.


Tcg

[detniona]

I read it the first time.

You may have read it, but you didn't answer it. The question stands unanswered. The reason for that will remain a mystery.


Tcg

Here you are making another false statement to which I can
easily prove it.

My answer is my reply.

Now in order for you to win this debate you are going to have to prove
that my reply is not my answer.

To which you cannot.

You are a loser.

[Tcg]

I read it the first time.

You may have read it, but you didn't answer it. The question stands unanswered. The reason for that will remain a mystery.


Tcg

Here you are making another false statement to which I can
easily prove it.

My answer is my reply.

Now in order for you to win this debate you are going to have to prove
that my reply is not my answer.

To which you cannot.

You are a loser.

Until you provide an alternative to surfer Dave, you haven't answered my question.


Tcg

[detniona]

I read it the first time.

You may have read it, but you didn't answer it. The question stands unanswered. The reason for that will remain a mystery.


Tcg

Here you are making another false statement to which I can
easily prove it.

My answer is my reply.

Now in order for you to win this debate you are going to have to prove
that my reply is not my answer.

To which you cannot.

You are a loser.

Until you provide an alternative to surfer Dave, you haven't answered my question.


Tcg

Here again you are making statements that not only have no merit
but that you cannot prove or offer no evidence at all to
substantiate any of it other than you just said so.

Wisdom may not be your strong suit but
stubbornness is.

[Tcg]

I read it the first time.

You may have read it, but you didn't answer it. The question stands unanswered. The reason for that will remain a mystery.


Tcg

Here you are making another false statement to which I can
easily prove it.

My answer is my reply.

Now in order for you to win this debate you are going to have to prove
that my reply is not my answer.

To which you cannot.

You are a loser.

Until you provide an alternative to surfer Dave, you haven't answered my question.


Tcg

Here again you are making statements that not only have no merit
but that you cannot prove or offer no evidence at all to
substantiate any of it other than you just said so.

Wisdom may not be your strong suit but
stubbornness is.

The substantiation is the undeniable fact that you've offered no alternative to surfer Dave.


Tcg