I would very much like to get opinions on this subject. I'll provide several verses from the King James Version of the Bible, and I ask you to give me feed-back.
Jesus' words:
1) "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19)
2) "My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me." (John 7:16)
3) "Neither came I of myself, but he sent me." (John 8:42)
He replied, after the Pharisees accused him of making himself God:
4) "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the SON of God?" (John 10:36)
5) "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say....Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." (John 12:49,50)
6) To his Father in prayer: "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God , and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." (John 17:3)
7) "I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God." (John 20:17)
To John in the Revelation:
8) "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God..." (Revelation 3:12)
Do these quotations show that Jesus was NOT God?
Do YOU believe that he claimed to be God?
JESUS IS NOT GOD
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Post #361Dear Onewithhim,
You wrote:
“[Replying to Revelations won in post #356]
I have answered these on another thread.”
Since you refuse to answer My questions posed in my posts #356 and #357 and claim that you have answered these specific questions elsewhere would you kindly and clearly please Identify the other topic posts and post numbers which you allege to have answered my questions posed in My post numbers 356 and 357?
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You wrote:
“[Replying to Revelations won in post #356]
I have answered these on another thread.”
Since you refuse to answer My questions posed in my posts #356 and #357 and claim that you have answered these specific questions elsewhere would you kindly and clearly please Identify the other topic posts and post numbers which you allege to have answered my questions posed in My post numbers 356 and 357?
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Post #362I don't remember which thread it was. I was certain that you would see my answers on that thread, since you asked your questions on that thread.Revelations won wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 7:58 am Dear Onewithhim,
You wrote:
“[Replying to Revelations won in post #356]
I have answered these on another thread.”
Since you refuse to answer My questions posed in my posts #356 and #357 and claim that you have answered these specific questions elsewhere would you kindly and clearly please Identify the other topic posts and post numbers which you allege to have answered my questions posed in My post numbers 356 and 357?
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Post #363[Replying to Tcg in post #3]
Who is your Savoir?
A. God
B. Jesus
D. God is Jesus
C. None of the above.
Your answer_____________
Who is your Savoir?
A. God
B. Jesus
D. God is Jesus
C. None of the above.
Your answer_____________
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Post #364When I was about 3 years old my dad saved me from getting kidnapped. When I was 25 surfer Dave saved me from crashing into a rock jetty he even broke his board to do so. My dad is dead now so I guess it comes down to surfer Dave. Surfer Dave is or rather was my savior that one day anyway.detniona wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 5:50 pm [Replying to Tcg in post #3]
Who is your Savoir?
A. God
B. Jesus
D. God is Jesus
C. None of the above.
Your answer_____________
Tcg
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Post #365My answer is God whose name is Jehovah. (Psalm 83:18, KJV)detniona wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 5:50 pm [Replying to Tcg in post #3]
Who is your Savoir?
A. God
B. Jesus
D. God is Jesus
C. None of the above.
Your answer_____________
Jesus is the means by which Jehovah saves. Therefore, both can be called "Savior."
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Post #366I take it wisdom is not your strong suit.Tcg wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 7:13 pmWhen I was about 3 years old my dad saved me from getting kidnapped. When I was 25 surfer Dave saved me from crashing into a rock jetty he even broke his board to do so. My dad is dead now so I guess it comes down to surfer Dave. Surfer Dave is or rather was my savior that one day anyway.detniona wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 5:50 pm [Replying to Tcg in post #3]
Who is your Savoir?
A. God
B. Jesus
D. God is Jesus
C. None of the above.
Your answer_____________
Tcg
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Post #367Since you use the bible as your source I will go with it.onewithhim wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 7:22 pmMy answer is God whose name is Jehovah. (Psalm 83:18, KJV)detniona wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 5:50 pm [Replying to Tcg in post #3]
Who is your Savoir?
A. God
B. Jesus
D. God is Jesus
C. None of the above.
Your answer_____________
Jesus is the means by which Jehovah saves. Therefore, both can be called "Savior."
How do you justify the error in your doctrine as pointed out by this
from the bible? Isaiah 43:11
I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
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Post #368Why would you assert that? Surfer Dave actually did something to save me. What could be a wiser choice?detniona wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 7:35 pmI take it wisdom is not your strong suit.Tcg wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 7:13 pmWhen I was about 3 years old my dad saved me from getting kidnapped. When I was 25 surfer Dave saved me from crashing into a rock jetty he even broke his board to do so. My dad is dead now so I guess it comes down to surfer Dave. Surfer Dave is or rather was my savior that one day anyway.detniona wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 5:50 pm [Replying to Tcg in post #3]
Who is your Savoir?
A. God
B. Jesus
D. God is Jesus
C. None of the above.
Your answer_____________
Tcg
Tcg
To be clear: Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods.
- American Atheists
Not believing isn't the same as believing not.
- wiploc
I must assume that knowing is better than not knowing, venturing than not venturing; and that magic and illusion, however rich, however alluring, ultimately weaken the human spirit.
- Irvin D. Yalom
- American Atheists
Not believing isn't the same as believing not.
- wiploc
I must assume that knowing is better than not knowing, venturing than not venturing; and that magic and illusion, however rich, however alluring, ultimately weaken the human spirit.
- Irvin D. Yalom
Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD
Post #369I wasn't talking about surfer Dave, I was talking about you.Tcg wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 7:59 pmWhy would you assert that? Surfer Dave actually did something to save me. What could be a wiser choice?detniona wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 7:35 pmI take it wisdom is not your strong suit.Tcg wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 7:13 pmWhen I was about 3 years old my dad saved me from getting kidnapped. When I was 25 surfer Dave saved me from crashing into a rock jetty he even broke his board to do so. My dad is dead now so I guess it comes down to surfer Dave. Surfer Dave is or rather was my savior that one day anyway.detniona wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 5:50 pm [Replying to Tcg in post #3]
Who is your Savoir?
A. God
B. Jesus
D. God is Jesus
C. None of the above.
Your answer_____________
Tcg
Tcg
And I was correct.
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Post #370I didn't claim you did. I explained how wise it is of me to pick surfer Dave for my answer to your question. Perhaps you missed my question to you. What could be a wiser choice? Do you have an answer?detniona wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 8:02 pmI wasn't talking about surfer Dave, I was talking about you.Tcg wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 7:59 pmWhy would you assert that? Surfer Dave actually did something to save me. What could be a wiser choice?detniona wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 7:35 pmI take it wisdom is not your strong suit.Tcg wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 7:13 pmWhen I was about 3 years old my dad saved me from getting kidnapped. When I was 25 surfer Dave saved me from crashing into a rock jetty he even broke his board to do so. My dad is dead now so I guess it comes down to surfer Dave. Surfer Dave is or rather was my savior that one day anyway.detniona wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 5:50 pm [Replying to Tcg in post #3]
Who is your Savoir?
A. God
B. Jesus
D. God is Jesus
C. None of the above.
Your answer_____________
Tcg
Tcg
And I was correct.
Tcg
To be clear: Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods.
- American Atheists
Not believing isn't the same as believing not.
- wiploc
I must assume that knowing is better than not knowing, venturing than not venturing; and that magic and illusion, however rich, however alluring, ultimately weaken the human spirit.
- Irvin D. Yalom
- American Atheists
Not believing isn't the same as believing not.
- wiploc
I must assume that knowing is better than not knowing, venturing than not venturing; and that magic and illusion, however rich, however alluring, ultimately weaken the human spirit.
- Irvin D. Yalom
