JehovahsWitness wrote:
Do you have any bible based counter arguments to present?
JW
Even knowing that it is hopeless, sure, why not. ](*,)
"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep."
You believe God created the earth formless, void, and dark. And you made some attempts to prove that formless, void, and dark can be or is "good."
On the other hand, I believe God created the heaven and the earth good in verse 1 and it degraded over time to become formless, void, and dark; as described in verse 2. God then returned and re-created that formless, void, and dark earth -- creating man in that re-creation.
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God follows a general pattern of creation beginning in verse 3. That pattern is to state what is being created, declare that it is "good," then declare which day it was created on.
Note that this is never done for the heaven and earth created in verse one.
In verse 3, God created light, which is the opposite of darkness:
Genesis 1:3 wrote:And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
God then immediately reviewed the light He created and described it as "good":
Genesis 3:4 wrote: And God saw the light, that it was good: . . .
While God never declared total darkness as good or bad, He described the opposite of darkness (light) as good.
If some light within darkness is good, then it seems that the total darkness of the creation in verse one would be the opposite of good.
The same goes for formless and void. God never declared either as "good."
From your posting #139 which you asked about several times:
Could you explain (with scripture) why a formless dark earth, like the baby Jesus 6 months into his development, could not have been one (perfect) stage in the earth's journey towards completion?
I'm not going to compare baby Jesus 6 months into His development with anything.
I'll say that that sperm has the capability of physical movement. That is, they are alive.
And being alive is much more intricate than an entire earth which is formless, void, and dark.
To this date, secular man can only speculate about the spark of life from non-living matter.
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In trying to prove your claim that God created something without form, void, and dark as an interim step; you are denying God's omnipotence!
That is, you deny that God could have made everything directly, thus He had to create something piece meal in multiple steps.
So He is not all powerful.
Is that a problem?