Was Jesus crucified on the Passover, of earlier?

[polonius]

The question is whether the Sabbath which came the next day was a Saturday Sabbath or the Passover Sabbath or both. I believe that all the evidence is unanimous that Jesus was crucufied on the day before the Passover. Matthew confirms this, as in Matthew 27:62 he says that the day after the crucifixion was the "one after Preparation Day" (ie preparation day for the Passover.

And John has no Eucharist account at the last supper.

[Difflugia]

The question is whether the Sabbath which came the next day was a Saturday Sabbath or the Passover Sabbath or both. I believe that all the evidence is unanimous that Jesus was crucufied on the day before the Passover. Matthew confirms this, as in Matthew 27:62 he says that the day after the crucifixion was the "one after Preparation Day" (ie preparation day for the Passover.

And John has no Eucharist account at the last supper.

"Preparation Day" without a modifier means Friday, the day before the Sabbath. In all three Synoptics, the Last Supper was the Passover Seder, after which Jesus was arrested. The following day, he was crucified. The one time "Preparation Day" means something other than Friday is in John 19:14, where it's explicitly called "the Preparation of the Passover."

In John, the Passover hadn't been eaten yet. The Last Supper was "before the Passover," but wasn't otherwise identified. Following his arrest as he was taken to Pilate, the Passover meal hadn't been eaten yet.

[polonius]

The question is whether the Sabbath which came the next day was a Saturday Sabbath or the Passover Sabbath or both. I believe that all the evidence is unanimous that Jesus was crucufied on the day before the Passover. Matthew confirms this, as in Matthew 27:62 he says that the day after the crucifixion was the "one after Preparation Day" (ie preparation day for the Passover.

And John has no Eucharist account at the last supper.

"Preparation Day" without a modifier means Friday, the day before the Sabbath. In all three Synoptics, the Last Supper was the Passover Seder, after which Jesus was arrested. The following day, he was crucified. The one time "Preparation Day" means something other than Friday is in John 19:14, where it's explicitly called "the Preparation of the Passover."

In John, the Passover hadn't been eaten yet. The Last Supper was "before the Passover," but wasn't otherwise identified. Following his arrest as he was taken to Pilate, the Passover meal hadn't been eaten yet.

RESPONSE: So there is no establishment of a Eucharist in John's gospel. And they didn't eat the Passover meal. The other three gospels have a different story!

[polonius]

The gospels were written between 70 and 95 AD.

Were any of the writers Apostles or witnesses to the events they described?

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[Replying to post 1 by polonius]

Jesus was executed on the Day of Passover..

The day after the Passover is a yearly sabbath called the first day of unleavened bread this is a start of a 7 day period where both the first and last days are sabbaths where no customary work is to be done..

(Leviticus 23:4-8) "¶ These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons. {5} In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD’S Passover. {6} And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread. {7} In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein. {8} But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein."

So the day after Jesus was executed was Not the weekly 7th day sabbath it was a High Sabbath that only happened on the day after Passover no mater what day of the week Passover happened.. Passover was on the 14th day of the first month ( Jewish month i think from memory it is called Nisan /) this can happen on any day of the week depending on calcalendarst like Christmas can happen on any day of the week today..

[Difflugia]

So the day after Jesus was executed was Not the weekly 7th day sabbath

All four Gospels* have the crucifixion take place on Friday, but the Passover is on a different day in John.

In John's Gospel, the Sabbath coincides with a "high day" (John 19:31):

Since it was the day of Preparation, and so that the bodies would not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken and that they might be taken away.

John changes the day on which the Passover Seder is eaten so that Jesus could be the symbolic Passover lamb, slaughtered at the same time as the other lambs.

A couple of years ago, I worked out the timeline of each Gospel's crucifixion. I pasted it into the member notes.

* I suspect that Matthew's was originally on Thursday. He moved the "the next day was the Preparation" line away from its original spot to where it would indicate that another day had already passed. That would then give him his "three days and nights," the lack of which give apologists such heartburn now. The text as we have it now says that it was "the day following the day of Preparation." That makes no sense, since that just means "the Sabbath," but I think an early scribe added "the day following" to reharmonize the timeline with Mark and Luke.

[JehovahsWitness]

John changes the day on which the Passover Seder is eaten so that Jesus could be the symbolic Passover lamb, slaughtered at the same time as the other lambs.

John's Last Supper was eaten on Thursday. He was crucified on Friday. His Passover meal would have been eaten on Friday evening.

John didn't "change" anything, he just uses different paremeters: Thursday night (after sundown) = (Jewish) Friday Nisan 14 = the day befor the festival (which started Nisan 15) = John choses to refer to the day of preparation (for said festival).

Nisan 15 that year happened to fall on a weekly Sabbath, making it a Great/high Sabbath.




JW

[Difflugia]

John didn't "change" anything...

In the Synoptics, Jesus and the twelve eat the Last Supper on the first Day of Unleavened Bread. Luke also has Jesus call this "the Passover." Following the meal, he is arrested.

in John, the Last Supper was "before the Passover." After his arrest, John points out (18:28) that the time had not yet come for the Passover meal.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 8 by Difflugia]

Yes so now all we need to know is which day is being referred to. See my earlier posts on this subject.
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 932#893932

[Difflugia]

[Replying to post 8 by Difflugia]

Yes so now all we need to know is which day is being referred to. See my earlier posts on this subject.
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 932#893932

We do. Your explanation claims that the Synoptics referred to the Passover meal, but John 18:28 meant the Passover festival, a day later. It seems a bit difficult to me, though, to maintain that John was referring to anything other than the meal when the verb he used was eat ("...that they might not be defiled, but might eat the Passover.").