YHWH

[Wootah]

Y - the hand
H - reveals
W - the nail
H - reveals

How is anyone that believes YHWH is God able to negate the evidence above that YHWH is Jesus?

https://www.desiringgod.org/articles/je ... -is-yahweh

YHWH is the name above all names correct?

Philippians 2:9-11 says — Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.

Anyone want to directly confront both pieces of evidence?

[onewithhim]

The name Jesus means "Jehovah is Salvation". Jesus is a Jehovah's worshipper, as his followers after him.

Yes of course. Jesus called Jehovah "my God" on many occasions. He certainly worshipped Him, as even his disciples realized.

John 20:17
Revelation 3:12
Mark 15:34
I Corinthians 15:24


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Really?
John 20:17
I have not ascended to the father...
When he ascends he will be God, obviously. THAT IS WHAT ASCEND MEANS.
Unless Jesus was ignorant in his word use.

Revelation 3:12
Just as above. When he descends, he is no longer ascended, and separated from God.

Mark 15:34
That was of course his body, separated from the spirit that cried out. The dull matter not being divine, cried out in agony.

I Corinthians 15:24
Makes little sense in any context. Jesus is a deliverer, and needs no power - God is the all-powerful one, and so does not need anything delivered. It makes no sense to do so.

So, it is rather your quotes that undermine your point.
Was Jesus only the body born from his mother?
Had it been slain (hypothetically) by accident or other misfortune, would that have shut down God's goals? No.

Therefore God's spirit inhabited the mere body of what people recognized as Jesus.

I see you have assigned new meanings to various words and phrases.

To "ascend" means (not to become God once again) but to go UP, physically. Jesus went back up to the Father, his Father and his God. He never said anything about becoming God again. Revelation 3:12 shows that even in heaven Jesus recognized Jehovah as his God, so it had nothing to do with him having descended and being in a physically inferior position. Even in heaven Jehovah is Jesus' God.

If the man Jesus was just an empty shell filled with God's Spirit, then he wasn't a perfect human being and couldn't be lauded for his perfect submission to God. He would be like an automaton, not a real man.

God's purpose was fulfilled in Jesus the perfect man, and the Jesus who returned to heaven still as God's SON and not God Himself.


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[Willum]

[Replying to onewithhim]

Ascend is to be raised from mortality.
Heracles and Perseus being other examples.
So, no. I am not making up meanings.
Your other interpretations are incorrect as well. As is obvious by the prior presentation.

So your laughter and other disparaging comments have not dissuaded the original Yahweh, Dyues, Deue, Zeus observation.
Which is based on linguistics.

[tigger2]

[Replying to post 32 by Willum]

The NT Greek word used for 'ascended' here is ἀναβαίνω. It clearly means only 'go up,' 'rise,' etc. as defined and as used at John 7:8.

Strong's Concordance

anabainó: to go up, ascend
Original Word: ἀναβαίνω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: anabainó
Phonetic Spelling: (an-ab-ah'-ee-no)
Definition: to go up, ascend
Usage: I go up, mount, ascend; of things: I rise, spring up, come up.

John 7:8 V-PIA-1S
GRK: �γὼ ο�κ ἀναβαίνω εἰς τὴν
NAS: yourselves; I do not go up to this [feast]
KJV: go not up yet unto [feast]
INT: I not yet am going up to the [feast]

John 20:17 V-PIA-1S
GRK: εἰπὲ α�τοῖς Ἀναβαίνω π�ὸς τὸν
NAS: and say to them, 'I ascend to My Father
KJV: say unto them, I ascend unto my
INT: say to them I ascend to the

- From Bible Hub.[/b]

[Willum]

[Replying to tigger2]

I can’t agree more, that is for sure.
Why are you telling me?
I am not the one needing correction.

PS --

Had you lost track that we are speaking about quotes from the Bible?
That is the thing being called out, not I.

Unless you believe NOTHING interesting was described in:

John 20:17
Revelation 3:12
Mark 15:34
I Corinthians 15:24

[onewithhim]

[Replying to tigger2]

I can’t agree more, that is for sure.
Why are you telling me?
I am not the one needing correction.

PS --

Had you lost track that we are speaking about quotes from the Bible?
That is the thing being called out, not I.

Unless you believe NOTHING interesting was described in:

John 20:17
Revelation 3:12
Mark 15:34
I Corinthians 15:24

It is highly interesting that Jesus said that he was ascending to the Father in John 20:17.....that is, he was going back up to heaven, not ascending "in mortality," or some such idea. It is very clear what he meant. He was going from the earth back to heaven.

In Revelation 3:12 (have you actually read it?) Jesus is calling Jehovah "my God" and this is when he is back in heaven, so no one can say that he would call God "my God" only when he was on the earth.


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[Willum]

[Replying to post 35 by onewithhim]

You do just realize that you have just agreed with me?
You have argued one way for a bizarre interpretation, then retreated to the obvious one, without missing a beat.
Which just leaves my original and second observations, unanswered.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 35 by onewithhim]

You do just realize that you have just agreed with me?
You have argued one way for a bizarre interpretation, then retreated to the obvious one, without missing a beat.
Which just leaves my original and second observations, unanswered.

I have not just agreed with you. I am diametrically opposed to your viewpoint. I am sorry that you cannot read, or maybe you just don't understand. I find going around and around with you is getting the discussion nowhere. You keep saying the same things without any clear explanation.

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[Willum]

[Replying to post 37 by onewithhim]

No, ma'am, you clearly have become confused between your position on the verses, what the verses say and language.

I can emphasize this by asking you the question, what happened to Jesus before, during and just after the "gave up the ghost," on the cross?

What happened to his body?
What happened to what was not his body? - his spirit, power, whatever you wish to call it.

[otseng]

I am sorry that you cannot read, or maybe you just don't understand.

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[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 39 by otseng]

I apologize.