Jehovah of the OT, is Jesus Christ of the New Testament

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Jehovah of the Old Testament, is Jesus Christ of the New Testament

There are some today who do not understand or accept that Jehovah of the Old Testament is in fact Jesus Christ of the New Testament. My observation is that He is in very deed the great Jehovah, who was and is King of kings and Lord of lords, even the very Messiah, our lord and redeemer, the Holy One of Israel and the the author of our resurrection and the only name whereby man can be saved. This is my “take� on this topic. I welcome all would care to debate and provide your evidence to support contrary or opposing views. The following scriptures are presented as evidence supporting my “take� on the above subject:

Isaiah 43:3 “For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour:"

Isaiah 43:11 “I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour�

Isaiah 9:6-7 “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
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Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.


Isaiah 25:8-9 “He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.

9And it shall be said in that day, Lo, this is our God; we have waited for him, and he will save us: this is the LORD; we have waited for him, we will be glad and rejoice in his salvation.


Isaiah 26:19 “Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.�


Matthew 27:52-53 “And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

53And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.


Acts 4:10-12 “Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.

11This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.

12Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.


Exodus 3:14 God calls himself “I AM� “3 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.�


John 8:54-58 (Before Abraham was “I AM�. 54 “Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
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Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.
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Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
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Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
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Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was,
I AM.�


Exodus 6:3 “And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.�


Deuteronomy 32:2-4 “My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:

3Because I will publish the name of the LORD: ascribe ye greatness unto our God.

4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.�


1Corinthians 10:1-4 “Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3And did all eat the same spiritual meat;

4And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.�


Hebrews 5:8-9 “Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
9And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;�


Psalms 118:22-24 “The stone which the builders refused is become the head stone of the corner.
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This is the LORD'S doing; it is marvellous in our eyes.
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This is the day which the LORD hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it.�





Acts 4:10-12 “Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.

11This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
12Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.�


John 10:1-11 “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
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But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
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To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
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And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
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And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
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This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.
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Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
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All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
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I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
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The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
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I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.


Ephesians 2:18-20 “For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
19Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;


Hebrews 1:1-4 “God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
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Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
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Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
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Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.�


Hebrews 2:8-11 “And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

9Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.�

John 1:1-5 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
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The same was in the beginning with God.
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All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
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In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
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And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.�


Colossians 2:8-14 “Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

9For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

10And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
11In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

12Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

13And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

14Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;�

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Response to Elijah john:


My response to Matthew 16:28:

Your private interpretation is that everyone that was upon the earth has died before Christ’s second coming.

Can you provide the death date of John the Beloved?

Or how about Elijah? Or how about Enoch?

You claim by your response that the gospel of John is false or in error, but you have provided no evidence to support your claims.

Perhaps you should consider the following:

Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

GeGenesis9:10 The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.

Genesis 49:24 But his bow abode in strength, and the arms of his hands were made strong by the hands of the mighty God of Jacob; (from thence is the shepherd, the stone of Israel:)

Numbers 24:17 I shall see him, but not now: I shall behold him, but not nigh: there shall come a Star out of Jacob, and a Sceptre shall rise out of Israel, and shall smite the corners of Moab, and destroy all the children of Sheth.

Deuteronomy 18:15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;

Acts 7:37 This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear.

Psalms 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Psalms 2: 1-12 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
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The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,

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Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
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He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.
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Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.
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Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
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I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
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Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
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Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
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Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.
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Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
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Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

Psalms 22:1 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.

Psalms 22:16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.
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I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me.
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They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.

Psalms 24: Who shall ascend into the hill of the LORD? or who shall stand in his holy place?
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He that hath clean hands, and a pure heart; who hath not lifted up his soul unto vanity, nor sworn deceitfully.
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He shall receive the blessing from the LORD, and righteousness from the God of his salvation.
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This is the generation of them that seek him, that seek thy face, O Jacob. Selah.
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Lift up your heads, O ye gates; and be ye lift up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in.
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Who is this King of glory? The LORD strong and mighty, the LORD mighty in battle.
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Lift up your heads, O ye gates; even lift them up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in.
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Who is this King of glory? The LORD of hosts, he is the King of glory. Selah.

Psalms 34:20 He keepeth all his bones: not one of them is broken.


Psalms 68:18 Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: thou hast received gifts for men; yea, for the rebellious also, that the LORD God might dwell among them.


Psalms 69:21 They gave me also gall for my meat; and in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink.


Matthew 27:33
And when they were come unto a place called Golgotha, that is to say, a place of a skull,
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They gave him vinegar to drink mingled with gall: and when he had tasted thereof, he would not drink.


Matthew 27: 48
And straightway one of them ran, and took a spunge, and filled it with vinegar, and put it on a reed, and gave him to drink.


Isaiah 7:14
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Matthew 1:23
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.



Jeremiah 23:5
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
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In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
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Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that they shall no more say, The LORD liveth, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;
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But, The LORD liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land.


Jeremiah 33:15
In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land.


Ezekiel 37:11
Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.
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Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
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And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,
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And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.



Matthew 27:52
And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
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And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

Daniel 9:24
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
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And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.




Hosea 11:1
When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.


Matthew 2:13
And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him.
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When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt:
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And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.


Matthew 13:10
And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? 11He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. 12For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. 13Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.


Micah 5:2
But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.




Matthew 2:6
And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel.


Zechariah 3:8
Hear now, O Joshua the high priest, thou, and thy fellows that sit before thee: for they are men wondered at: for, behold, I will bring forth my servant the BRANCH.


Zechariah 6:12
And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD:

Zechariah 9:9
Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.


Zechariah 11:12
And I said unto them, If ye think good, give me my price; and if not, forbear. So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver.
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And the LORD said unto me, Cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I was prised at of them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the LORD.


Zechariah 13:6
And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.



Malachi 3:1
Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.


Matthew 1:21
And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
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Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
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Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Mark 9:12
And he answered and told them, Elias verily cometh first, and restoreth all things; and how it is written of the Son of man, that he must suffer many things, and be set at nought.


Luke 4:16
And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
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And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
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The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
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To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
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And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.
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And all bare him witness, and wondered at the gracious words which proceeded out of his mouth. And they said, Is not this Joseph's son?
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And he said unto them, Ye will surely say unto me this proverb, Physician, heal thyself: whatsoever we have heard done in Capernaum, do also here in thy country.


Luke 24:25
Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
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Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
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And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.


John 3:11
Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
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If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
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And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
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And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:


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That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 
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For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
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For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

John 5:17
But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
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Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
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Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
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For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
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For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
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For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
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That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him. 24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
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Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.


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For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
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And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
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Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
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And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
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I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
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If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.
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There is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true.
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Ye sent unto John, and he bare witness unto the truth.
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But I receive not testimony from man: but these things I say, that ye might be saved.
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He was a burning and a shining light: and ye were willing for a season to rejoice in his light.
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But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.
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And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.


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And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
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Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
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And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
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I receive not honour from men.
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But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.
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I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
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How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?
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Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
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For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
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But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?


Elijah John, after you have reviewed the above, it would appear that you have overlooked how much has been prophesied regarding Christ as Savior and redeemer.

I think that my take in this debate is well documented and supported. If you can show proof that all of the above quotes are applicable to someone else then please present your evidence.

Kind regards,
RW

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I submit to all who profess to be Christians and also to the JW’s the following scriptures to review and be edified. I will also ask questions after certain scriptures quoted.

Psalms 24
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Who is this King of glory? The LORD strong and mighty, the LORD mighty in battle.
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Lift up your heads, O ye gates; even lift them up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in.
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Who is this King of glory? The LORD of hosts, he is the King of glory. Selah.

I would ask, who is this king of glory mentioned in Psalms?

Psalms 34:20 He keepeth all his bones: not one of them is broken.

Psalms 68:18 Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: thou hast received gifts for men; yea, for the rebellious also, that the LORD God might dwell among them.


Psalms 69:21 They gave me also gall for my meat; and in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink.


Can anyone show from the scriptures, any other than Jesus Christ whom this scripture applies?


Matthew 27:33
And when they were come unto a place called Golgotha, that is to say, a place of a skull,
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They gave him vinegar to drink mingled with gall: and when he had tasted thereof, he would not drink.


Matthew 27: 48
And straightway one of them ran, and took a spunge, and filled it with vinegar, and put it on a reed, and gave him to drink.

Does this not verily describe Christ in the above scriptures found in Matthew 27?


Isaiah 7:14
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Matthew 1:23
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.


I Would submit that no one can find in the Holy scriptures quoted from Isaiah 7:14 and Matthew 1:3 any other individual this applies to other than Jesus Christ.


Jeremiah 23:5
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
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In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
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Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that they shall no more say, The LORD liveth, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;
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But, The LORD liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land.


Jeremiah 33:15
In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land.


Ezekiel 37:11
Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.
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Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
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And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,
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And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.


I would challenge anyone to show from the scriptures that above scriptures found in Ezekiel 37:11-14 apply to anyone other than Jesus Christ.


It might be well for anyone to gain new understanding from the above and understand one of the mysteries of godliness is the clear revelation that Jesus Christ is DIVINE and is indeed the the very SON of the Eternal FATHER. He is indeed Lord of lords and ing of kings! He is the very Emmanuel or GOD with us as stated in:
Matthew 1:23
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

If there is anyone who can prove from the scriptures otherwise, I welcome your responses.

Kind regards,
RW

[Revelations won]

Greetings to all who claim to be Christians.


27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
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Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

First: I think it is very clear that Peter’s testimony in answer to Christ’s question was based upon “revelation†from God the Father.

Second : Christ testified “For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Do you realize that in the scriptures Christ is referred to as Son of man about 81 times?

If Christ were not God the Son, then he could not come in the glory of his Father and reward every man according to his works.



John 3:11
Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
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If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
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And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.


John 5:17
But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
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Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
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Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
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For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
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For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
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For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
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That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him. 24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
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Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.


It might be well for anyone to gain new understanding from the above and understand one of the mysteries of godliness is the clear revelation that Jesus Christ is DIVINE and is indeed the the very SON of the Eternal FATHER. He is indeed Lord of lords and ing of kings! He is the very Emmanuel or GOD with us as stated in:
Matthew 1:23
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Was “Jesus the Christ” foreordained before the foundations of the earth were laid to become the savior of all mankind as stated by Peter?

Is Jesus Christ indeed the very “Immanuel” or God with us as the scriptures clearly state?

Is he Jesus Christ the author and finisher of our salvation?

Is Jesus Christ the “Holy one of Israel” who alone, has provided the gift of resurrection for all mankind?

Did not “Jesus the Christ “ truly have glory with the “Father” before he came to this earth as the literal “Son of God”?

Did he not also by his sacrifice bring further glory to his father?

You or I or anyone has NO authority from God to falsely claim that “Jesus the Christ” has made any mistake regarding his second coming.


Ezekiel 37:11
Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.
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Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
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And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,
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And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.


I would challenge anyone to show from the scriptures that above scriptures found in Ezekiel 37:11-14 apply to anyone other than Jesus Christ.


It might be well for anyone to gain new understanding from the above and understand one of the mysteries of godliness is the clear revelation that Jesus Christ is DIVINE and is indeed the the very SON of the Eternal FATHER. He is indeed Lord of lords and king of kings! He is the very Emmanuel or GOD with us as stated in:
Matthew 1:23
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.


I so personally Testify and bear personal witness that Jesus Christ is God the Son who, under the direction of God the Father, organized and created this earth and all things therein, and who is the very “Immanuel” or “God with us” as clearly stated in the scriptures. It is he alone who atoned for our sins and provided by his grace the free gift or common salvation known as the resurrection to all mankind.

Kind regards,
RW

[Difflugia]

Ezekiel 37:11
Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.
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Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
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And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,
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And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.

I would challenge anyone to show from the scriptures that above scriptures found in Ezekiel 37:11-14 apply to anyone other than Jesus Christ.

How do they apply to anyone including Jesus?

[Elijah John]

[Replying to Revelations won in post #41]

Were Enoch or Elijah or anyone else you mentioned "standing here" when Jesus made that prediction? And the one's who were, (apostles) they all died without witnessing the 2nd coming.

[tigger 2]

Chapter 1 of Ezekiel shows Ezekiel himself speaking to us and seeing a vision of God. The last words of chapter 1 show Ezekiel prostating himself before God and hearing Him speaking to him.

Chapter 2 begins: God said to Ezekiel: "Son of man, get to your feet." Footnotes for NRSV and New Jerusalem Bible admit: "son of man, and so throughout the book when Ezekiel is addressed."

[Revelations won]

Greetings to JW’s and to all believers in Christ everywhere,

In my original post I submitted the debate premise that Jehovah and Jesus the Christ are indeed one and the same person. I fully expected the JW’s to deny this premise posted, but I admit that I was somewhat surprised to see other believers in Christ take the opposing position held by the JW’s.

I expect that there are many other christians out there who also have searched the scriptures diligently and who also concur with my debate position stated. The scriptures clearly testify that there are three (3) in heaven who bear witness, namely God the Father, the Word (meaning God the Son) and the Holy Ghost or (Spirit). This being a supported fact according to scripture, Then why is there such a diversity and confusion or misunderstanding regarding the true identity of Jehovah and Jesus Christ?

Is not much of the basis of misunderstanding attributed to “the great apostasy”?

Has the “doctrine” taught in the scriptures in several points been replaced by “man made” creeds, traditions, and philosophies of man?

The scriptures declare that “(John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might KNOW thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.” I would ask, does a “creed” exist which makes it impossible to “know” the clear identity and character of God the Father and Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost? This creed attempts to create a monotheistic god which would replace the “Godhead” stated in the scriptures.

I would submit that according to the scriptures a monotheistic god does not exist. For example In:

Genesis 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:.

The forgoing statement from God clearly refutes the false concept of monotheism.

Add to this the fact that Christ clearly existed even prior to the foundations of the earth were even created, for he verily was foreordained prior to the creation of this earth:

(Ephesians 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love

(1 Peter 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,)

I submit that in all of the above it is clearly evident that Christ was foreordained by God the Father as part and parcel of the Fathers foreordained plan of salvation and redemption as a vital and necessary atonement and plan of mercy required for our salvation and exaltation.

It is also self evident that God the Son (Christ) created this and other worlds under the direction of God the Father. Although he has many names, it was not until much later that the Great “I AM”was eventually also known as “Jehovah”.

Having performed his antemortal mission as the great Jehovah, he was then became the only begotten Son of God in the flesh to become the “Emmanuel” or “God with us” to provide the great atoning sacrifice to bless all mankind with the resurrection and atonement for sin in fulfillment of the Fathers will.

The following scriptures quoted clearly identify Christ’s divinity, glory, his status a the “Word” of God and his position as the only redeemer for all mankind and identity as God the Son.

Jude 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

Luke 2: 11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

John 1: 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

John 3: 10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?

11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.

12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

Psalms 33: 6 By the Word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.

Isaiah 40: 28 Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard, that the everlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary? there is no searching of his understanding.

Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;



John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.

7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.

9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:




Colossians 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timotheus our brother,

2 To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

3 We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you,

13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.


Ephesians 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:


Hebrews 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

I submit that the above scriptural evidence clearly reaffirms beyond question, Christ’s identity as also being the great Jehovah and creator and savior!

For anyone to argue to the contrary, one must therefore introduce a major dilemma of two (2) creators and two (2) Saviors!

I challenge the JW’s or Any one else who can refute each and every scripture I have used as evidence, to prove that Christ is not the great Jehovah, please feel free to present your debate showing that all the scriptures I have used to be false or wrong. I do not need philosophical or private interpretations. Please provide other scriptures to prove an opposing view.

Kind regards,
RW

[Revelations won]

Greeting to JW and all others,

My post of July 26,2020 is clear evidence that Jehovah of the OT is Jesus Christ of the New Testament. To date it appears that there is no one prepared to give opposing evidence supported by scripture to refute my post.

If you can prove the quoted evidences to be false, by Biblical evidences proving otherwise, then let's hear it.

Kind regards
RW

[myth-one.com]

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In his post on July 26, 2020, Revelations Won claimed that there is clear evidence that Jehovah of the OT is Jesus Christ of the New Testament.

Here is the biblical case proving that claim to be false:

Jesus was a man:

But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honor; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. (Hebrews 2:9)

Jesus Christ was made to be "a little lower than the angels," exactly as every man was created:

What is man, that thou art mindful of him? ...For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels. (Psalm 8:4-5)

There are two type of bodies:

There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. (I Corinthians 15:44)

Natural bodies are produced from natural births, and spiritual bodies are the products of spiritual births:

That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. (John 3:6)

The man Jesus did not exist until He was born of the flesh into the kingdom of man in Bethlehem, roughly 2,000 years ago. That was the beginning of the physical life of Jesus Christ.

Jesus was never in Heaven as a man because man cannot inherit the Kingdom of God:

And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; (I Corinthians 15:49-50)

Therefore, Jesus did not exist until the New Testament.

It is the Word who existed from the beginning as a spiritual godly being:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. (John 1:1-3)

And it is the Word who was made flesh as the man Jesus Christ 2,000 years ago:

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us... (John 1:14)

Until that time, Jesus did not exist.

[tam]

Peace to you RW,

I'm not sure you have considered all things when claiming that Christ Jaheshua (whom you call "Jesus") and JAH or "YHWH" (whom you are calling Jehovah) are the same person.

Consider the Psalm that Christ referred to:

He said to them, "How is it then that David, speaking by the Spirit, calls him 'Lord'? For he says, "'The Lord said to my Lord: "Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet."' Matt 22:43, 44

And of course the scripture that He was quoting:

[The LORD] says to my lord: "Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet." Psalm 110:1


Now [The LORD] is referring to JAH (YHWH). Though in fact (as I'm sure you are aware), the LORD, in all caps, does not even exist in the text. The scribes simply replaced "YHWH" with an all caps "LORD".

So that the text would more literally read,

YHWH said to my Lord, "Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet."


In Matthew, Christ confirms that He is the Lord being referred to, the lord to whom YHWH is speaking.


So that it reads (David speaking):

YHWH said to my Lord (Christ), "Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet."


So I would ask:

How can they be the same person, if YHWH is speaking to Christ Jaheshua?



Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy