It seems like Luke thought Jesus was God.

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It seems like Luke thought Jesus was God.

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I found this interesting.

https://scottmsullivan.com/a-proof-for- ... of-luke-so...
Now, here’s the interesting part: the word that Luke uses for “worship� is the Greek term “π�οσκυνήσαντες� (proskunesantes).

I know what you’re saying “John, this all Greek to me. Why is this important?� (Ha… I’m funny….right?)

Anyway, the root of the word for “worship� in Luke 24:52 is π�οσκυνέω (proskuneo) and unlike the other Gospels, Luke hardly uses this word at all.

In fact, he uses it in only one other passage in his whole Gospel.

The only other place that Luke employs this particular Greek term is in Luke 4:7-8 when Satan offer Christ every kingdom of the world under one condition:

“If you, then, will worship me (π�οσκυνήσῃς (proskynēsēs), it shall all be yours� and Jesus answered him � it is written, ‘you shall worship (Π�οσκυνήσεις Proskynēseis) the Lord your God, and him only shall you serve. (Deut. 4:5)�

Luke’s highly selective use of the term proskuneo in the early chapters of the Gospel give give it a definition so that it ought to be taken to say that God alone is worthy of proskuneo (Luke 4:8). But the disciples offer Jesus proskuneo and connects it with their worship in the Temple where they “glorify God.�
It seems like Luke thought Jesus was God.

Links to see the actual Greek.
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/luke/4-7.htm
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/luke/24-52.htm

Setting aside our dogma and theology and just reading the text it really does look like the worship Satan wanted from Jesus was given to Jesus by the disciples.

Anyone want to still disagree that Luke thought Jesus was God (based upon the evidence in the text)?
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[Replying to post 10 by Difflugia]

Probably because the point that the greek can means "worship" is...
Difflugia wrote:.... irrelevant, because as the article author points out, Luke uses 4:8 to define what he wants the word to mean in the context of his Gospel and Acts.
Emphasis MINE

One can worship anything or anyone one chooses to worship, money, sex, Elvis... So pointing out that proskuneo can mean worship doesn't get us any closer to some conclusion as to whether "Luke thought Jesus was God" or not. As you rightly pointed out, an examination of the context does (see above).



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JehovahsWitness wrote: [Replying to post 10 by Difflugia]

Probably because the point that the greek can means "worship" is...
Difflugia wrote:.... irrelevant, because as the article author points out, Luke uses 4:8 to define what he wants the word to mean in the context of his Gospel and Acts.
Emphasis MINE

One can worship anything or anyone one chooses to worship, money, sex, Elvis... So pointing out that proskuneo can mean worship doesn't get us any closer to some conclusion as to whether "Luke thought Jesus was God" or not. As you rightly pointed out, an examination of the context does (see above).



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It's not right to worship anything except God. Is your view that the disciples and Jesus failed in Luke 24?
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Wootah wrote:
It's not right to worship anything except God. Is your view that the disciples and Jesus failed in Luke 24?

To what are you referring (you dont mention a verse)?
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JehovahsWitness wrote: So pointing out that proskuneo can mean worship doesn't get us any closer to some conclusion as to whether "Luke thought Jesus was God" or not.
The only person making that argument is you.

Luke has Jesus say that one must π�οσκυνέω God exclusively and then his only other use of the word in Luke was to write that the disciples π�οσεκ�νησαν Jesus. It doesn't matter if it means "worship," "offer obeisance to," or "make sandwiches for." The important part is that Luke said it should only be done for God, then said it was done for Jesus. The question is what did Luke mean by that?

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[Replying to post 11 by JehovahsWitness]

Yes indeed. Anyone can worship anything. The word is used in many instances of people merely showing respect to another individual, such as someone in authority. The worship that God Almighty receives is quite different from the worship that others might receive. He is worshipped as just that---God Almighty. No one else deserves that title.

Jesus was "worshipped" as a highly respected individual, but the Father was and is worshipped as the Most High....God Almighty....the only true God.

Psalm 83:18, KJV
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Difflugia wrote:

Luke has Jesus say that one must π�οσκυνέω God exclusively and then his only other use of the word in Luke was to write that the disciples π�οσεκ�νησαν Jesus. It doesn't matter if it means "worship," "offer obeisance to," or "make sandwiches for." The important part is that Luke said it should only be done for God, then said it was done for Jesus. The question is what did Luke mean by that?

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Difflugia wrote:
JehovahsWitness wrote: So pointing out that proskuneo can mean worship doesn't get us any closer to some conclusion as to whether "Luke thought Jesus was God" or not.
The only person making that argument is you.

Luke has Jesus say that one must π�οσκυνέω God exclusively and then his only other use of the word in Luke was to write that the disciples π�οσεκ�νησαν Jesus. It doesn't matter if it means "worship," "offer obeisance to," or "make sandwiches for." The important part is that Luke said it should only be done for God, then said it was done for Jesus. The question is what did Luke mean by that?
Another question is, if Luke thought Christ was God then why did he not write this astonishing statement in skyscraper capitals? It is amusing that Jesus wandered around eating bits of fish he helped make but forgot to say to his followers: "Know what, I am God." We need to conjugate a harmless Greek verb to get some info on Christ's divinity. That's as good a way as any, I suppose.

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Difflugia wrote:
JehovahsWitness wrote: So pointing out that proskuneo can mean worship doesn't get us any closer to some conclusion as to whether "Luke thought Jesus was God" or not.
The only person making that argument is you.
well yes, and you...
Difflugia wrote:.... irrelevant, because as the article author points out, Luke uses 4:8 to define what he wants the word to mean in the context of his Gospel and Acts.
Emphasis MINE




...and anyone else that understands the value of context.

Speaking of context it seems many forget that the same word can mean different things depending on who or what we are speaking about, did you know that is the case for proskynēsēs ?



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onewithhim wrote: [Replying to post 11 by JehovahsWitness]

Yes indeed. Anyone can worship anything. The word is used in many instances of people merely showing respect to another individual, such as someone in authority. The worship that God Almighty receives is quite different from the worship that others might receive. He is worshipped as just that---God Almighty. No one else deserves that title.

Jesus was "worshipped" as a highly respected individual, but the Father was and is worshipped as the Most High....God Almighty....the only true God.

Psalm 83:18, KJV
John 17:3


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Now focus on the book of Luke and the topic.
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[Replying to post 16 by marco]

Now focus on the topic. What do you think.

A verse used twice in two contexts. I don't want to spell it out again but I urge you to so that you can demonstrate another conclusion if you like.
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