From this link: https://scottmsullivan.com/2-mind-blowi ... of-christ/
He mentions
Psalm 107:23-32 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=NIV
Mark 4:35-41 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=NIV
Basically Psalm 107 mentions YHVH as calming the sea and then in Mark some guy called Jesus calms the sea.
How can we not see the resemblance?
How can we claim to be Christian and not have faith in who Jesus is?
It seems like Mark thought Jesus was God
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It seems like Mark thought Jesus was God
Post #1Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.
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Re: It seems like Mark thought Jesus was God
Post #61How does that answer the question?PinSeeker wrote:LOL! The only way to answer that is, God created a physical universe and physical beings to inhabit it. Maybe we don't "need" a physical body to live forever, but that's just how God made it to be.myth-one.com wrote:Why do believers need a physical body to live forever?
Yes, God made the physical universe and physical beings to inhabit it.
But no flesh and blood physical body can inherit the spiritual Kingdom of God:
If deceased Christians are resurrected with human bodies, they cannot enter the kingdom of God because human bodies are born of the flesh.And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God;... (I Corinthians 15:49-50)
If that is what occurs, they will simply die another human death.
Humans must be born again of the Spirit to gain everlasting life as a spirit within the Kingdom of God.
Being born again as a human simply gains the human another human lifetime -- and another human death.
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Re: It seems like Mark thought Jesus was God
Post #62Not "no physical body," but rather no sinful human person, no person susceptible or capable of sin. We will bear the image of the man in heaven, Jesus, on Judgment Day, which is exactly what verse 49 says. On that day we will no longer be susceptible to or capable of sin, because Christ will have conquered it (along with death) completely. The "flesh and blood" of verse 50 is about being corruptible, which is analogous to "sinful," "susceptible to sin." "capable of sin." Thus the need for the resurrection, after which we will no longer be susceptible to or capable of sin. We will be truly righteous and thus able to inherit the kingdom of God, in all our physical, material glory.myth-one.com wrote: no flesh and blood physical body can inherit the spiritual Kingdom of God...
Myth-one, "born of the flesh" means we were born sinful, possessing a sinful nature; this was/is the natural state of our physical selves/bodies. We will be raised -- resurrected; the very term indicates physicality, and we will be raised just like Jesus was, in all His physical, material glory -- incorruptible, no longer able to sin. This is how we will be able to enter the kingdom.myth-one.com wrote: If deceased Christians are resurrected with human bodies, they cannot enter the kingdom of God because human bodies are born of the flesh.
Not as a "spirit," but spiritual... of/by the Holy Spirit.myth-one.com wrote: Humans must be born again of the Spirit to gain everlasting life as a spirit within the Kingdom of God.
Absolutely not. That is an utterly wooden, hollow, empty understanding of what Paul is saying -- and all of Scripture.. By "spiritual body," Paul does not mean a non-physical, immaterial body but rather a body animated and empowered by the Holy Spirit, and thus does absolutely nothing to negate or take away from in any way the physicality or material-ness of the body.myth-one.com wrote: Being born again as a human simply gains the human another human lifetime -- and another human death.
Further, your understanding of "spiritual body," makes it a misnomer, a contradiction in terms. If one is a spirit," then he/she does not have a body! No, the word "body" indicates that the spiritual body is beyond the shadow of a doubt physical and material. That's how the members of the church at Corinth certainly would have understood Paul's letter first hand, so it is how we should certainly understand it today.
Dude. We're done here, myth-one. Case closed; court adjourned. Grace and peace to you, my friend.
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Re: It seems like Mark thought Jesus was God
Post #63Sin is disobeying the commandments of God.PinSeeker wrote:Not "no physical body," but rather no sinful human person, no person susceptible or capable of sin.myth-one.com wrote:No flesh and blood physical body can inherit the spiritual Kingdom of God...
As long as God gives commandments, any being with freedom of choice is capable of disobeying those commandments.
So there is no such thing as "a person incapable of sinning."
Consequently, if you only allow beings incapable of sinning into the Kingdom of God, then no beings will get into the Kingdom of God.
myth-one.com wrote:Being born again as a human simply gains the human another human lifetime -- and another human death.
Paul stated that the bodies of deceased Christians are sown or buried as natural bodies and resurrected as spiritual bodies.PinSeeker wrote:Absolutely not. That is an utterly wooden, hollow, empty understanding of what Paul is saying -- and all of Scripture.. By "spiritual body," Paul does not mean a non-physical, immaterial body but rather a body animated and empowered by the Holy Spirit, and thus does absolutely nothing to negate or take away from in any way the physicality or material-ness of the body.
PinSeeker wrote:If one is a spirit," then he/she does not have a body! No, the word "body" indicates that the spiritual body is beyond the shadow of a doubt physical and material.
You state that spirits do not have bodies.. . . there is a spiritual body. (I Corinthians 15:44)
Then you continue to state that the spiritual body (which spirits do not have) is . . . yada, yada, yada . ..
But whatever, your flesh and blood spiritual bodied beings are locked out from the Kingdom of God -- because they are flesh and blood.
You know, the "flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God" problem.
At least we agree on that point.