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Are we perfect?
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Re: Are we perfect?
Post #2The answer is no we are not perfect b/c of what (Rom.3;23 ;6:23) teaches.
The good news to those who obey the lord is that He sees the faithful as though they are perfect (Heb.5:9).
We have been purified by obeying truth (1Peter 1:22,23).
We have been sanctified by the truth - the word of God (Jn 17:17).
That is if we have obeyed the truth (Rom. 6:3-6 ; 16-18)
Doctrine does matter (1Jn 4:1).
The good news to those who obey the lord is that He sees the faithful as though they are perfect (Heb.5:9).
We have been purified by obeying truth (1Peter 1:22,23).
We have been sanctified by the truth - the word of God (Jn 17:17).
That is if we have obeyed the truth (Rom. 6:3-6 ; 16-18)
Doctrine does matter (1Jn 4:1).
You purified your souls in obeying the truth...being born again. (1Peter 1:22,23)
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Re: Are we perfect?
Post #3[Replying to Waterfall in post #1]
In the present moment, everything that exists in the universe is a consequence of everything that preceded it.
Everything that preceded this present moment in the universe traces back to the moment of the Big Bang.
The fundamental quantum state of the universe at the moment of the Big Bang was the reality in that moment.
Reality in that moment was nether perfect nor imperfect but existed necessarily.
Reality in every subsequent moment through to the present moment was neither perfect nor imperfect but existed necessarily.
As a component of the present moment reality, we are neither perfect nor imperfect but exist necessarily.
In the present moment, everything that exists in the universe is a consequence of everything that preceded it.
Everything that preceded this present moment in the universe traces back to the moment of the Big Bang.
The fundamental quantum state of the universe at the moment of the Big Bang was the reality in that moment.
Reality in that moment was nether perfect nor imperfect but existed necessarily.
Reality in every subsequent moment through to the present moment was neither perfect nor imperfect but existed necessarily.
As a component of the present moment reality, we are neither perfect nor imperfect but exist necessarily.
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Post #4Why would you even suspect we might be perfect when god himself is less than perfect? If he can make mistakes surely it should be assumed we can as well. Or is this a bad assumption?
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Re: Are we perfect?
Post #5Are you suggesting God himself has made mistakes? How do you know "when god himself is less than perfect"?
INDEX: More bible based ANSWERS
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 81#p826681
"For if we live, we live to Jehovah, and if we die, we die to Jehovah. So both if we live and if we die, we belong to Jehovah" - Romans 14:8
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 81#p826681
"For if we live, we live to Jehovah, and if we die, we die to Jehovah. So both if we live and if we die, we belong to Jehovah" - Romans 14:8
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Re: Are we perfect?
Post #6How are we defining the word "perfect" here? The Biblical meaning is this: being mature, whole, complete, lacking in nothing.
I would say that none of us are perfect in the Biblical sense of the word. We are all lacking in some way or another and are in an ongoing process of maturation.
I would say that none of us are perfect in the Biblical sense of the word. We are all lacking in some way or another and are in an ongoing process of maturation.
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Post #7I'm more than suggesting it, but claiming so. And I know because it's mentioned in the Bible.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sun Jul 12, 2020 3:50 pmAre you suggesting God himself has made mistakes? How do you know "when god himself is less than perfect"?
Genesis 6:6
..........................ICB
..........................The Lord was sorry he had made human beings on the earth. His heart was filled with pain.
..........................KJV
..........................And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
..........................ESV
..........................And the Lord regretted that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart.
..........................NWT
..........................6 Jehovah regretted that he had made men on the earth, and his heart was saddened.
1 Samuel 15:35
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..........................Even though Samuel felt sad about Saul, Samuel never saw him again. The Lord was sorry he had made Saul ..........................the king of Israel.
..........................KJ21
..........................And Samuel came no more to see Saul until the day of his death. Nevertheless Samuel mourned for Saul; and the ..........................Lord repented that He had made Saulking over Israel.
..........................CEB
..........................Samuel never saw Saul again before he died, but he grieved over Saul. However, the Lord regretted making Saul ..........................king over Israel.
..........................NWT
.......................... Samuel did not see Saul again until the day of his death, for Samuel went into mourning for Saul.+ And Jehovah ..........................regretted that he had made Saul king over Israel
We don't repent, regret, or are sorry for those things we've done right, but those things we've done wrong: And having done something wrong means we made a mistake
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Post #8I do not think a perfect human being knows everything...Overcomer wrote: ↑Sun Jul 12, 2020 4:21 pm How are we defining the word "perfect" here? The Biblical meaning is this: being mature, whole, complete, lacking in nothing.
I would say that none of us are perfect in the Biblical sense of the word. We are all lacking in some way or another and are in an ongoing process of maturation.
Do you agree?
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Post #9I don't think Christianity can be contained/limited to the bible...
Has God made any mistakes:
http://uk.vandrermodlyset.dk/m-a03.htm
http://uk.vandrermodlyset.dk/m-ko03.htm
I think this book comes with some interesting thoughts:
http://uk.vandrermodlyset.dk/m-a04.htm
http://uk.vandrermodlyset.dk/m-a04.htm
What do you think about this:
http://uk.vandrermodlyset.dk/m-e03.htm
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Post #10I don't think Christianity can be contained/limited to the Bible...
Has God made any mistakes:
http://uk.vandrermodlyset.dk/m-a03.htm
http://uk.vandrermodlyset.dk/m-ko03.htm
I think the book comes with some interesting thoughts:
http://uk.vandrermodlyset.dk/m-a04.htm
http://uk.vandrermodlyset.dk/m-ko04.htm (I have corrected the link)
What do you think about this:
http://uk.vandrermodlyset.dk/m-e03.htm
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