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Unity Within Christendom

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As per your best recollection and understanding, give one Biblical tenet or doctrine which is universally accepted by those who name Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

Satan has successfully polluted and corrupted all aspects of God's Work for human redemption. He has brought doubt, obscurity, and partial destruction upon:

1.) Extant Canonized Text and supporting apocrypha.
2.) The integrity of the human genome.
3.) The Testimony of God's created Biosphere and Cosmos.
4.) The Church as Christ's Body.
5.) The existence of a Spiritual Realm in human awareness.
6.) The immortality of the human Spirit.
7.) Man in the Image of God.
8.) God's Love, Mercy, Hope, Faithfulness.
9.) Knowledge of the Eternal Judgement.
10.) Romans 8:19 "Manifestations of the Sons of God."

After all millennia since Creation, every of these works by Satan are currently in place. This indicates there is little else for him to do. Christ is soon to return in the Catching Away.

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Re: Unity Within Christendom

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Benson wrote: Tue Jan 26, 2021 11:43 pm As per your best recollection and understanding, give one Biblical tenet or doctrine which is universally accepted by those who name Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.
This is going to be quite problematic. No such Biblical tenet or doctrine exists.

Even the term, "Lord and Savior", creates problems as Christians can't agree if both are needed for salvation. You can't really blame Christendom, the Bible quite simply isn't clear on issues even as important as salvation. If the Bible were clear then there'd be unity within Christendom. It isn't and there isn't.


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None. If so, name them and try to certify their error.

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Re: Unity Within Christendom

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[Replying to Tcg in post #12]
Yes, that statement about a problematic answer to this thread is correct. Here is why.

1.) Gentiles are blocked from grasping the Hebrew oriented language Christ spoke unto the Jews.

2.) Paul added far too many components to The Gospel for us to distinguish from Christ's Gospel.

3.) Rather than bring spiritually reborn as humble and trusting little children, Gentiles instead presume to be spiritually reborn as savvy and discerning Jews. But, they are not. Gentiles are ingrafted into God's Kingdom, and we hear our own fruit, not Jewish fruit.

4.) Gentiles' Faith in Christ is held to a much different standard than the Belief Christ expected from the Jews. As such, because of God's Mercy, The Church, including spiritually reborn Jews, will be removed before the purifying Seven Year Tribulation on the unbelieving and stiff-necked Jews.

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Benson wrote: Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:03 pm

1.) Gentiles are blocked from grasping the Hebrew oriented language Christ spoke unto the Jews.


The bible reports several gentiles conversing with Jesus and even speaks of him commending certain non Jews for their faith.
Not grasping the Hebrew language evidently did not serve as a barrier for Gentiles to accept Christ and understanding the good news then, nor should it today.




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JehovahsWitness wrote: Thu Jan 28, 2021 4:28 am
Benson wrote: Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:03 pm

1.) Gentiles are blocked from grasping the Hebrew oriented language Christ spoke unto the Jews.


The bible reports several gentiles conversing with Jesus and even speaks of him commending certain non Jews for their faith.
Not grasping the Hebrew language evidently did not serve as a barrier for Gentiles to accept Christ and understanding the good news then, nor should it today.




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Jesus also said, "Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations." ( Matt 28:19) There would be no reason for Christ to give his disciples a task they couldn't do because of a language block.
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Benson wrote: Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:03 pm
2.) Paul added far too many components to The Gospel for us to distinguish from Christ's Gospel.
Such as?
3.) Rather than bring spiritually reborn as humble and trusting little children, Gentiles instead presume to be spiritually reborn as savvy and discerning Jews. But, they are not. Gentiles are ingrafted into God's Kingdom, and we hear our own fruit, not Jewish fruit.
What scripture makes you say this?
4.) Gentiles' Faith in Christ is held to a much different standard than the Belief Christ expected from the Jews. As such, because of God's Mercy, The Church, including spiritually reborn Jews, will be removed before the purifying Seven Year Tribulation on the unbelieving and stiff-necked Jews.
Jews removed? From where? By whom?

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Thu Jan 28, 2021 4:28 am
Benson wrote: Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:03 pm

1.) Gentiles are blocked from grasping the Hebrew oriented language Christ spoke unto the Jews.


The bible reports several gentiles conversing with Jesus and even speaks of him commending certain non Jews for their faith.
Not grasping the Hebrew language evidently did not serve as a barrier for Gentiles to accept Christ and understanding the good news then, nor should it today.




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Simply because there were Gentiles who responded to Jesus and to whom He spoke does not mean they grasped the language and spiritual heritage of the Jews. Do you think they did for some reason?

Please give me more of your uncertainty upon this and other points. There is no charge for my ministerial service to anyone.

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Re: Unity Within Christendom

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Benson wrote: Thu Jan 28, 2021 1:28 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Thu Jan 28, 2021 4:28 am
Benson wrote: Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:03 pm

1.) Gentiles are blocked from grasping the Hebrew oriented language Christ spoke unto the Jews.


The bible reports several gentiles conversing with Jesus and even speaks of him commending certain non Jews for their faith.
Not grasping the Hebrew language evidently did not serve as a barrier for Gentiles to accept Christ and understanding the good news then, nor should it today.




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Simply because there were Gentiles who responded to Jesus and to whom He spoke does not mean they grasped the language and spiritual heritage of the Jews. Do you think they did for some reason?

Please give me more of your uncertainty upon this and other points. There is no charge for my ministerial service to anyone.
Good of you to ask this question about Paul. Here are a few examples.

1.) Jesus never spoke the word "grace." Yet Paul makes that concept central in the Gospel.

2.) Jesus offered His forgiveness and salvation upon a person's works of first forgiving all others of their trespasses, obeying His Commands, and imitating Him by jot having material wealth.

3.) Paul states The Law brought death. Jesus never said such a thing.

4.) Paul taught conforming to Christ. Jesus never promoted imitation of Himself by anyone, but only duplication of His Works, and having the Holy Spirit within.

5.) Paul spoke and wrote massive amounts of theology and doctrine, speaking exhaustively upon many issues. Jesus only spoke concisely and upon germane issues, never speaking His whole mind upon any issue, and speaking only what was essential to His immediate audience. Jesus never preached so far into the night that anyone fell asleep and fell out of the window.

6.) Paul is never shown to have spoken The Lord's Prayer, and does not give specific examples of agreeing in prayer with anyone upon any issue.

Having chatty little "explanations" about these things does not refute them.

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2timothy316 wrote: Thu Jan 28, 2021 8:51 am
Benson wrote: Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:03 pm
2.) Paul added far too many components to The Gospel for us to distinguish from Christ's Gospel.
Such as?
3.) Rather than bring spiritually reborn as humble and trusting little children, Gentiles instead presume to be spiritually reborn as savvy and discerning Jews. But, they are not. Gentiles are ingrafted into God's Kingdom, and we hear our own fruit, not Jewish fruit.
What scripture makes you say this?
4.) Gentiles' Faith in Christ is held to a much different standard than the Belief Christ expected from the Jews. As such, because of God's Mercy, The Church, including spiritually reborn Jews, will be removed before the purifying Seven Year Tribulation on the unbelieving and stiff-necked Jews.
Jews removed? From where? By whom?
Saved Jews and Saved Gentiles via 1 These. 4:17 harpazo #726 "catching away" is not describing The Day of The Lord. It is a separate event described here.

Are you able to praise God for His Word?

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Benson wrote: Thu Jan 28, 2021 2:00 pm
2timothy316 wrote: Thu Jan 28, 2021 8:51 am
Benson wrote: Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:03 pm
2.) Paul added far too many components to The Gospel for us to distinguish from Christ's Gospel.
Such as?
3.) Rather than bring spiritually reborn as humble and trusting little children, Gentiles instead presume to be spiritually reborn as savvy and discerning Jews. But, they are not. Gentiles are ingrafted into God's Kingdom, and we hear our own fruit, not Jewish fruit.
What scripture makes you say this?
4.) Gentiles' Faith in Christ is held to a much different standard than the Belief Christ expected from the Jews. As such, because of God's Mercy, The Church, including spiritually reborn Jews, will be removed before the purifying Seven Year Tribulation on the unbelieving and stiff-necked Jews.
Jews removed? From where? By whom?
Saved Jews and Saved Gentiles via 1 These. 4:17 harpazo #726 "catching away" is not describing The Day of The Lord. It is a separate event described here.

Are you able to praise God for His Word?
What did you mean by "Paul added far too many components to The Gospel for us to distinguish from Christ's Gospel"?

I do praise God for His Word. Even all that Paul wrote as he was under the direction of Jesus Christ.

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