The False Gospel of Mere Assent.

[Benson]

"And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?" 1 Peter 4:18 [KJV]

#3433 molis, "with difficulty, hardly, scarcely, with much work."

Let's discuss and debate today's commonly spoken Evangelical Gospel.

Apostle Peter consistently writes in his epistles 1 & 2 of diligence, purposeful effort, and works to be undertaken, and dangers to be avoided, by Believers and Followers of Christ. Per the above reference, he states salvation is "scarcely" obtained. He gives many examples of specific pursuits and actions to be either accomplished or wholly avoided by Church members who would attain their eternal Grace. This Grace is stated by Peter to be a future "Grace that is to be brought unto you at the Revelation of Jesus Christ." (Ch. 1, v. 1.). It is not a Grace they already have.

From this we can easily see Peter's understanding of "Grace" is far distant from the grace penned by Paul in Ephesians 2:8, "For by Grace are you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God." Paul tries to say there is a currently possessed grace given from God, and he later states it has full security. Reformed Theologians today go further to label it as "unmerited irresistible election with perseverance."

Today, Church goers are deluded by those who preach Paul's epistles into feeling they can just jump into God's favor and salvation by giving their mental assent to the idea of "accepting God's plan of salvation." Paul's gospel is so easy to receive, just like all other consumer products people are attracted to pick and choose. And, today we have nondisciples "following Jesus."

Apostle James specifies "Faith without deeds is dead in itself," and even gave a clear definition of "pure religion" in Ch. 1:27. Paul chose to avoid saying any of this, as he worked to establish a busy network of Churches which were to remain receptive only to his teachings. And, today we have Pauline Preachers doing little else than speaking motivational sermons, devoid of any specific detail and lacking any material demonstrations of The Gospel during the church activities. They try to claim their sermons are the "Power" mentioned by Paul in 1 Cor. 4:20. Such lengthy, motivational speeches are not power, but are mere words.

[2timothy316]

For clarity, what books of the Bible are false?

[Benson]

The answer for your use is from those who teach you. Ask them, and believe their answer.

[2timothy316]

The answer for your use is from those who teach you. Ask them, and believe their answer.

I'm not asking them, I'm asking you.

[Benson]

For clarity, what books of the Bible are false?

Let's chat a little bit here. Maybe this will help.

Are the statements in 1 Cor. 7:12, 1 Cor. 7:25, and 2 Cor. 8:8 The Word of God?

Are the contents of The Book of Eccliastes The Word of God?

Are the words of Job's three friends The Word of God?

Yes? No?

[2timothy316]

For clarity, what books of the Bible are false?

Let's chat a little bit here. Maybe this will help.

Are the statements in 1 Cor. 7:12, 1 Cor. 7:25, and 2 Cor. 8:8 The Word of God?

Are the contents of The Book of Eccliastes The Word of God?

Are the words of Job's three friends The Word of God?

Yes? No?

Answering a question with questions is not an answer. I'm looking for clarity from you and your point of view. Can you please answer the question.

[Benson]

Answering questions with a question was indeed the most common means Jesus conducted inquiry into matters.

Have you actually read the passages and Scripture I spoke of? Or do you presume to have some other way of knowing their contents?

Here is how God conveys His written Word to us today:

1.) Appointing a Prophet to be His voice.
2.) Directing that Prophet to say and/or write, "Thus said the Lord," or "The Word of the Lord."
3.) Placing the Word within the context of that Prophet's language, culture, philosophical, human relational, and geopolitical framework.
3.) Causing His Words to be in complete accordance with all other parts of His Word.
4.) Preserving that written text, and it's copies.
5.) Translating that text into other languages.
6.) Publishing and disseminating that text as we have it today.
7.) The material operation of God's Word in time and space.

God's Expressed Word can be identified within all of the above by:

1.) The self identity of the label "Thus said the Lord" or "The Word of the Lord."
2.) The citation of it as a First Mention by another Prophet or by Christ.
3.) The witness unto us through its implementation.

It should hereby be realized God's Word consists of its original utterance as spoken by God, its recording, its preservation, and the fulfillment of it as living and active. Any humanly purposed labeling and imagined interpretation is of no effect upon it.

[Miles]

Answering questions with a question was indeed the most common means Jesus conducted inquiry into matters.

And answering a question with an answer is by far the most common means teachers use in dealing with questions. Why? because it's far more effective than playing word games. UNLESS, that is, they don't know the answer, which I suspect may be the case here.


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[Benson]

It must hurt to think. Sorry.

[2timothy316]

It must hurt to think. Sorry.

I'm asking for honesty not how to think.
What books of the Bible are false? Please, pretty please. Just name the books, answer to my question plainly and without riddles.
If you can't answer that plainly then answer a simpler question, are there any false books in the Bible, period? If there are books with false information in them then answer yes. If there isn't then answer no. Now all you have to do is answer yes or no. I can't make it simpler than that.