Rev. 19:10 Testimony of Jesus.

[Benson]

Here, "The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy" was spoken by an Angel to John after John had erroneously tried to worship the Angel. Oddly, John as the very close and Beloved Disciple of Christ, who wrote the largest part of Scripture by any of the Original Apostles, and who had Jesus now revealed to him, had difficulty misidentifying and mistakenly worshipping an angel, thinking the Angel was Divine.

If Apostle John with his first hand knowledge of Christ and with The Revelation had such difficulty identifying Divinity, how much more do Professional Theologians of today have difficulty knowing the Testimony of Jesus, which is The Gospel of Salvation, when they have no available Spirit of Prophecy to guide them? Paul stated in Ephesians 4:12-13 the Church will have Prophets, but Modern Professional Theologians deny the existence of modern Prophets, or of any current Spirit of Prophecy. Their avoidance and denial of any modern Church Prophecy would explain their Theological disunity in Christendom, their dependence upon exegetic effort, and their error of Limited Atonement.

[Benson]

Is Jesus God? Prophecy the answer.

Define "God" and then define "Jesus". Are the two definitions the same or different? Therein one would think that the answer lies...

There is no value or benefit in speaking of what "one would think." Did Jesus pay the penalty of your personal sins against God? Yes? No?

Define "God" and then define "Jesus". Are the two definitions the same or different? Therein one would think that the answer lies...

I apologize. It is clear you have lots of interest in God and Jesus.

[William]

Is Jesus God? Prophecy the answer.

Define "God" and then define "Jesus". Are the two definitions the same or different? Therein one would think that the answer lies...

There is no value or benefit in speaking of what "one would think." Did Jesus pay the penalty of your personal sins against God? Yes? No?

Define "God" and then define "Jesus". Are the two definitions the same or different? Therein one would think that the answer lies...

I apologize. It is clear you have lots of interest in God and Jesus.

I am unsure how to take your apology. I have a friend/mediator who invites you to discuss Relationships and how they are built...here is the link

[Benson]

Please take my apology as this.

I misunderstood your interest in God and Jesus, who are two persons within The Triune God of all Creation, and under whose permission both you and your mentoring entity exist, was an interest of heart. Rather, I see your interest is limited to head knowledge, apart from any ability of heart.

Only those who have been Born Again through Faith in Christ by the washing of His Blood can know either Jesus or God.

[William]

[Replying to Benson in post #24]

[Link]

[Checkpoint]

Is Jesus God? Prophecy the answer.

What?

How does your question have relevance to the thread subject you have chosen?

Please briefly elaborate.

John's vision in Revelation contained the Testimony of the Deity of Christ. Does that Testimony of Jesus exist in you? Yes? No? Do you have what the Angel spoke of?

Is that really what his testimony was/is about; his Deity?

What is, or is not, "Deity"?

[Benson]

[Replying to Benson in post #24]

[Link]

I notice your mentor entity is unable to directly speak to me. Lol. I know why.

A clue to its nature is to observe how it presumes to "judge." Disabled and impotent entities have neither knowledge nor power to judge any person, or any matter. They can only speak weak little ideas, and they must have help from a human to do so. They are disembodied, and have no place to dwell.

Lol.

[William]

[Replying to Benson in post #24]

[Link]

I notice your mentor entity is unable to directly speak to me.

I notice that you are also unable to directly speak to me.

Lol. I know why.

I too know why.

A clue to its nature is to observe how it presumes to "judge."

Manu Iti is not judging, but making pertinent observations whilst adding inflections of humor at the irony.

Disabled and impotent entities have neither knowledge nor power to judge any person, or any matter.

That was the observation Manu Iti saw in my accuser.

They can only speak weak little ideas, and they must have help from a human to do so. They are disembodied, and have no place to dwell.

I don't think Manu Iti went as far as saying that my accuser [you in this case] is a ghost, but then again, you would appear to him as such if you were to visit his world.
Your accusations regarding me also appear to him, as being small and weak having no place to dwell or find harbor within the one whom you accuse.

There is nothing else now which can be accomplished by continuing to argue this, as far as I am concerned. Your were given the opportunity to sort this out, and you declined in the manner you chose to do so with.

I accept your decline. So does Manu Iti.

[Benson]

Your mentoring entity still is unable to speak directly. It merely circles the issue of The Supremacy of Christ over it. The entity had nothing more than weak and small humor and observations. It has no power.

To this entity God's Word through the name of Jesus has been spoken, "Be Gone."

[Revelations won]

Testimony of Jesus

Hi Overcomer, William and Benson,


Overcomer wrote:

“Thus, The Church has taken on more of the role of mediator between "god and man" rather than stuck to the task Jesus assigned it...or...The Church as we have come to know it, is an imposter and usurper which has been tricking Christians since they started to stop being disciples and become Christians ... near the very beginning of all this cuffuffle .... coincidently around the same time as The Church started to take the reigns...
Do you happen to have a Roman Catholic background? I ask that because that is certainly what the RC Church has done and you are right to criticize it for doing so. In fact, I totally agree with you on the matter. You are bang on, William!”

My response to Overcomer and William:

From my observation It appears that both of you are right on target on this point.


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by Benson » Wed Feb 03, 2021 10:46 pm
Search the Scriptures which speak of Jesus who said "I and the Father are one." He also said about Himself "Before Abraham I AM." The Jews who heard Him say this correctly understood Him to be saying He is God. "Emmanuel" means "God with us." Jesus forgave sins, and used healing to verify His Divine position and identity as God.”

My response to Benson: I also agree completely with Benson’s take on the above point.


To everyone I submit the following for your consideration:



Revelation 19:
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And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia.
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And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great.
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And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.
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Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

( We should remember the “wife” is a representation of the faithful church members)

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And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

(The above verses very self explanatory in that the fine white linen represents the righteousness of the saints.)

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And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
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And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

(In verse 10 we are taught many great things.

1 John in this case was being taught some very great gospel truths regarding the early church of Christ.

It would appear that this angel delivering the message was indeed a very glorious personage and that John appears to have thought that the angel may possibly been the Lord himself, since according to the record the glorious personage did not reveal his identity. I think it a very understandable thing for John, under the circumstance to fall down at the angel’s feet to worship this glorious messenger.

At this critical juncture both John and all of us are taught a most important and powerful lesson regarding the conduct of holy messengers. The angel immediately forbade john’s attempt to worship him. We observe that this experience that a true messenger from God must never deceive anyone by never allowing the person so visited to falsely worship the messenger.

2 The heavenly messenger immediately proceeded to identify himself as follows: “I am thy fellow servant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God”

In the process of identifying himself he showed John that he must properly direct his worship to God.

3 Isn’t it most fascinating for us to learn that at least some of the angels sent from God to us are actually, as the angel stated “I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus”
The angel in this case makes it very clear that he was once a mortal who was a faithful fellow servant who had the “testimony of Jesus”.

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And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
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His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
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And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
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And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
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And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
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And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.



The apostle Paul gave a very clear statement upon what his testimony was clearly based as found in:

Galations 1:
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But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
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For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

So we see that Paul’s testimony is therefore clearly based on “the spirit of prophecy” which is “the revelation of Jesus Christ”.

Many may believe or have a hope or faith in Jesus Christ which is good for starters, but these utterly pale in comparison to that higher divine principle of direct revelation that gives an individual that certain knowledge.

Kind regards,
RW

[Benson]

[Replying to Benson in post #24]

[Link]

I notice your mentor entity is unable to directly speak to me.

I notice that you are also unable to directly speak to me.

Lol. I know why.

I too know why.

A clue to its nature is to observe how it presumes to "judge."

Manu Iti is not judging, but making pertinent observations whilst adding inflections of humor at the irony.

Disabled and impotent entities have neither knowledge nor power to judge any person, or any matter.

That was the observation Manu Iti saw in my accuser.

They can only speak weak little ideas, and they must have help from a human to do so. They are disembodied, and have no place to dwell.

I don't think Manu Iti went as far as saying that my accuser [you in this case] is a ghost, but then again, you would appear to him as such if you were to visit his world.
Your accusations regarding me also appear to him, as being small and weak having no place to dwell or find harbor within the one whom you accuse.

There is nothing else now which can be accomplished by continuing to argue this, as far as I am concerned. Your were given the opportunity to sort this out, and you declined in the manner you chose to do so with.

I accept your decline. So does Manu Iti.

Will Manu and yourself be judged by God? Yes? Not sure?