Rev. 19:10 Testimony of Jesus.

[Benson]

Here, "The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy" was spoken by an Angel to John after John had erroneously tried to worship the Angel. Oddly, John as the very close and Beloved Disciple of Christ, who wrote the largest part of Scripture by any of the Original Apostles, and who had Jesus now revealed to him, had difficulty misidentifying and mistakenly worshipping an angel, thinking the Angel was Divine.

If Apostle John with his first hand knowledge of Christ and with The Revelation had such difficulty identifying Divinity, how much more do Professional Theologians of today have difficulty knowing the Testimony of Jesus, which is The Gospel of Salvation, when they have no available Spirit of Prophecy to guide them? Paul stated in Ephesians 4:12-13 the Church will have Prophets, but Modern Professional Theologians deny the existence of modern Prophets, or of any current Spirit of Prophecy. Their avoidance and denial of any modern Church Prophecy would explain their Theological disunity in Christendom, their dependence upon exegetic effort, and their error of Limited Atonement.

[tigger 2]

What does scripture mean by the term 'Prophet'?

Aid to Bible Understanding, 1969:

The English word ‘prophet’ comes from the Greek ‘pro phe’ tes.’ ‘Pro phe’ tes’ literally means ‘a speaker out’ [Gr. pro, ‘before’ or ‘in front of,’ and phe-mi, ‘to speak’], and thus describes a proclaimer, one who makes known messages attributed to a divine source. (Compare Titus 1:12.) Though the English word retains this same basic meaning, to many persons today it conveys only the restricted thought of a predicter of the future. But, as the foregoing information shows, the fundamental meaning of the word is not that of prediction. - p. 1347. (Also see p. 694, Insight on the Scriptures, Vol. 2.)

Authorities of Christendom agree with this Watchtower definition of 'prophet':

Dr. Robert Young (author of Young’s Analytical Concordance to the Bible and Young’s Concise Critical Bible Commentary) writes:
PROPHET - is used of one who (professedly) announces the will or celebrates the works of God, whether these relate to things past, present or future, and it is applied to patriarchs, orators, singers, songstresses, priests, and preachers. - Young’s Analytical Concordance to the Bible, “Hints and Helps to Bible Interpretation,” #68.

Dr. Young also wrote: “The Hebrew idea of a prophet is not that of one who foretells future events, but one who receives a revelation [‘God’s disclosure ... of his will to man, as through ... laws, etc.’ - Webster’s New Collegiate Dictionary] of God’s will and proclaims it to others.” - Young’s Concise Critical Bible Commentary, p. 48.

The Encyclopedia Britannica explains that, although the idea of prediction gradually came to be attached to the word, it originally meant “one who speaks out”:
Etymologically prophetes] denoted ‘forth-telling’ [speaking out], not ‘fore-telling’ [speaking before (in time)]. - Vol. 18, p. 586, 1956.

An Encyclopedia of Religion, Ferm, (ed.) states:
The prophets were not forecasters or philosophers, but ... preachers, moralists, ... and men of action who felt themselves to be mouthpieces of Yahweh ... and instruments of Yahweh’s creative purpose in man’s historic life. - p. 614.

Today’s Dictionary of the Bible tells us, “we must regard ‘prophet’ as a forth-teller, not a Foreteller.” - p. 509, Bethany House Publishers, 1982.

A footnote for Matt. 7:22 in The NIV Study Bible states:
prophesy. In the NT this verb primarily means to give a messsage from God, not necessarily to predict.

And Richard Lattimore, “the eminent translator” (NY Times Book Review) and “one of the most distinguished living translators of Greek” writes in notes for 1 Cor. 11:4 and 14:1 -
‘prophesies.’ This is not here introduced as if it were an activity requiring extraordinary gifts, and presumably may mean nothing more than reading, quoting, or interpreting Scripture. See also 14:1 ff. - Acts and Letters of the Apostles, p. 281, Dorset Press, 1982.

[Benson]

Is Jesus God? Prophecy the answer.

[Checkpoint]

Is Jesus God? Prophecy the answer.

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[Overcomer]

Benson wrote:

Paul stated in Ephesians 4:12-13 the Church will have Prophets, but Modern Professional Theologians deny the existence of modern Prophets, or of any current Spirit of Prophecy. Their avoidance and denial of any modern Church Prophecy would explain their Theological disunity in Christendom, their dependence upon exegetic effort, and their error of Limited Atonement.

Do you consider yourself to be a prophet? Are there other people in existence today who you consider to be prophets?

[William]

Then the angel said to me, “Write this: Blessed are those who are invited to the wedding supper of the Lamb!” And he added, “These are the true words of God.”

At this I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “Don’t do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers and sisters who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For it is the Spirit of prophecy who bears testimony to Jesus.”

Here, "The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy" was spoken by an Angel to John...

Nope. Specifically it was referred to as "The Angel" so likely John was referring to this angel as that which he had already experienced in this episode. [The Revelations Mythology by "John"]

...after John had erroneously tried to worship the Angel. Oddly, John as the very close and Beloved Disciple of Christ, who wrote the largest part of Scripture by any of the Original Apostles, and who had Jesus now revealed to him, had difficulty misidentifying and mistakenly worshipping an angel, thinking the Angel was Divine.

There was nothing odd about it. John was infatuated by all this mystical and magical and out of this world stuff he was involved with. That is why he loved The Lord so much - it was a type of "bromance between he and Jesus.
So either John mistook the angel as being Jesus, or it was because of Johns infatuation and religious upbringing which caused him to automatically "naturally enough" want to worship what was obviously far more superior to how he felt about himself...

We can see this in the actions of the twenty-four elders and the four living creatures who were worshiping an image of God upon a throne, as religion created this image and bestowed it upon The Creator...as a type of 'clothing' in which they could understand...dressed up in that way they could understand.

If Apostle John with his first hand knowledge of Christ and with The Revelation had such difficulty identifying Divinity, how much more do Professional Theologians of today have difficulty knowing the Testimony of Jesus, which is The Gospel of Salvation, when they have no available Spirit of Prophecy to guide them?

Imagine even John out there in the world prophesying! No doubt Jesus would have had to chastise John for bowing down to the divinity John recognized in Jesus. It happens. It is a human response to what humans call "divinity" which is really just knowing that one is in the presence of beings which are far more knowledgeable than you are...more powerful too...all that stuff...

Jesus [in spirit] is just a whisper away from any individual caring to notice...perhaps now and again these ones even share their stuff with the internet...

Paul stated in Ephesians 4:12-13 the Church will have Prophets, but Modern Professional Theologians deny the existence of modern Prophets, or of any current Spirit of Prophecy. Their avoidance and denial of any modern Church Prophecy would explain their Theological disunity in Christendom, their dependence upon exegetic effort, and their error of Limited Atonement.

Perhaps. But what of it? Christians do not even all agree as to what "Christendom" is, and some Christians don't even know what it means when they hear the word.
Why would we on the outside of that, sharing our secret stuff given to us by The Lord, stop to care about such declarations from such human authorities? Are these not represented in the vision as the twenty-four elders and the four living creatures?

Are we too, meant to bow down to an enthroned god and worship that image?

I thinks these one's you speak lowly off, they would advise us to do so....what would you advise?

I would advise one to take enough moments as one requires in order to think about it first...have a secret word with The Lord even...sus it out...

[William]

Is Jesus God? Prophecy the answer.

Define "God" and then define "Jesus". Are the two definitions the same or different? Therein one would think that the answer lies...

[William]

Is Jesus God? Prophecy the answer.

What?

How does your question have relevance to the thread subject you have chosen?

Please briefly elaborate.

I think the question Benson asks is relevant to the thread because it involves the question of what prophesy is and who is using it.

Definitely Christendom is doing so, all in various disharmonious ways [in relation to confusing witnesses] but is that to say that the prophets are getting their intel from Lying Spirits or from The Holy Spirit. There seems to also be confusion among those ranks as to the difference between the Holy and the Lying Spirits

[William]

Benson wrote:

Paul stated in Ephesians 4:12-13 the Church will have Prophets, but Modern Professional Theologians deny the existence of modern Prophets, or of any current Spirit of Prophecy. Their avoidance and denial of any modern Church Prophecy would explain their Theological disunity in Christendom, their dependence upon exegetic effort, and their error of Limited Atonement.

Do you consider yourself to be a prophet? Are there other people in existence today who you consider to be prophets?

I just read somewhere that Prophets are simply people who speak out. In that, if they speak out that they are specifically living on behalf of their idea of a god, then they are prophets to that subject.

This being the case, any person calling themselves a "Christian" and speaking out/writing down claims to do with their beliefs regarding "What is a Christian", are essentially Prophets.

The Church [as an institution of self proclaimed authority] tends to tell Christians that "Prophets are no longer required" because it is now the job of The Church to mediate between the individual and The Holy Spirit and Jesus and The Father.

Thus, The Church has taken on more of the role of mediator between "god and man" rather than stuck to the task Jesus assigned it...or...The Church as we have come to know it, is an imposter and usurper which has been tricking Christians since they started to stop being disciples and become Christians ... near the very beginning of all this cuffuffle .... coincidently around the same time as The Church started to take the reigns...

...and it is my declaration that their are beings who observe these goings on as merely a "cuffuffle" and - at that - of minor interest to them...they keep an interested ear out, but only really get interested when there are significant changes going on within the cuffuffle...if anything, I suppose I am a "Prophet" in regard to those beings...if I were to mention them too frequently...just saying...

[Benson]

Is Jesus God? Prophecy the answer.

What?

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Please briefly elaborate.

John's vision in Revelation contained the Testimony of the Deity of Christ. Does that Testimony of Jesus exist in you? Yes? No? Do you have what the Angel spoke of?