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Satan - The Devil and His Demons.

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2ndpillar2 wrote: Mon Feb 15, 2021 11:30 am
William wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:20 pm
2ndpillar2 wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 5:59 pm
nobspeople wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:56 pm When I joined this site, I (erroneously) assumed a Christian (by popular definition) believes in Eternal Hell damnation no matter the denomination or lack there of.
That doesn't seem to be the case with some of you (some believe it to be a temporary punishment, or not at all, etc). So I ask:

Do you believe in eternal hell (or eternal damnation if you like) or not?

If you do, who goes there?
Are there exceptions (mentally challenged people, newborn babies for examples)?

If you don't believe, why not?

What brings you to that conclusion?
Hell, Sheol, the grave, the first stop after death is like taxes, pretty much unavoidable. Now the lake of fire, comes after everyone is raised from the grave/hell, and progresses into a judgment for the good and the bad.(Revelation 20). While the fires of the lake of fire is ongoing, the fire itself causes a second death, which like the first death, is pretty much lights out, except for the devil, the beast, and the false prophet (Revelation 20:10).
The devil, the beast, and the false prophet must be made of something eternal if that fire can't consume them....
The devil is spirit, who resides in the hearts of men by means of his demons, and their spirits are eternal. The "beast" and the "false prophet" ate of the tree of life, and are eternal in nature, and their demon spirits have influenced today's leaders (Revelation 16:13).
Is Christianity the main source of Conspiracy Theories and therefore responsible for the troubled minds of Conspiracy Theorists?

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2ndpillar2 wrote: Sat Feb 20, 2021 7:38 am
William wrote: Fri Feb 19, 2021 5:05 pm Yes it is.

A conspiracy theory accuses another, as if that other were the devil. This you have done, have you not?
The "truth" is not a conspiracy. Truth can be found in the testimony of Yeshua. Yeshua explains the role of the devil, the father of lies, and his demons. A conspiracy is generally built around things which cannot be proven, but today the term is applied to anything the leftist media cannot abide, truth be damned.
It is a story. There were no witnesses. Indeed, if the story tells anything, it is that Yeshua had his own demons to deal with. Christianity is a major cause of the conspiracy theories which plague the minds of the humans who believe in them.

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William wrote: Sat Feb 20, 2021 1:30 pm
2ndpillar2 wrote: Sat Feb 20, 2021 7:38 am
William wrote: Fri Feb 19, 2021 5:05 pm Yes it is.

A conspiracy theory accuses another, as if that other were the devil. This you have done, have you not?
The "truth" is not a conspiracy. Truth can be found in the testimony of Yeshua. Yeshua explains the role of the devil, the father of lies, and his demons. A conspiracy is generally built around things which cannot be proven, but today the term is applied to anything the leftist media cannot abide, truth be damned.
It is a story. There were no witnesses. Indeed, if the story tells anything, it is that Yeshua had his own demons to deal with. Christianity is a major cause of the conspiracy theories which plague the minds of the humans who believe in them.

What is a Cult?
Yeshua dealt with the demons by casting them out. No witnesses for what? The problem is not of having no witnesses or facts, but often of having bad witnesses and contrived facts. The conspiracy theories of today, are based on the leftist trying to create progressive narratives with no credible backing. And yes, I agree that the minds of humans, are plagued by false narratives, but the major false narratives are from the generally godless Marxist left. As for consequences of such paths to destruction (Matthew 7:13) now that we have sleep Joe, is an approaching 1930s type of stock market crash, killing retirement accounts, worthless inflationary fiat money, greater regulation and fewer jobs, more disease coming across the border, worsening global stability by way of Iran via John Kerry's plans, probably eventually ending in the nations coming against Jerusalem, and causing Har-Magedon, Armageddon (Zechariah 14). As for "Christianity", they have their own demons in the way of the unclean spirits of the beast, the emperor Constantine with his Roman church, the false prophet Paul, and the devil.(Revelation 16:13). To say the godless Marxist have no problems with or without their demons, causing them to scream at the moon, would not be accurate. I would assume that their condition would be combined with despair and suicide/self murder.

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2ndpillar2 wrote: Sat Feb 20, 2021 7:38 amTruth can be found in the testimony of Yeshua. Yeshua explains the role of the devil, the father of lies, and his demons
William wrote: Fri Feb 19, 2021 5:05 pm It is a story. There were no witnesses. Indeed, if the story tells anything, it is that Yeshua had his own demons to deal with. Christianity is a major cause of the conspiracy theories which plague the minds of the humans who believe in them.

What is a Cult?
Yeshua dealt with the demons by casting them out.
Other people's demons. I was commenting on his own demon. ['demons']
No witnesses for what?


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2ndpillar2 wrote: Sat Feb 20, 2021 2:30 pm
Why Do Atheist Commit Suicide More? | Yahoo Answers
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/inde ... 324AAsqlsd
According to a study in the American Journal of American Psychiatry atheists have a substantial higher rate of suicide than people that have some type of religious affiliation. I think this study shows how rewarding being an atheist can be....like being unhappy, unfulfilled, bitter, depressed, detached, and generally overall miserable people. The posts on this site authored by atheists seem to ...
You didn't dig deeply enough into the issue:
The Mental Health of Atheists and the "Nones"

New research suggests that atheists have better mental health than other nones.

"New research has set out to examine the broad mental health differences in the sub-categories constituting the "nones." Interestingly, a growing number of studies suggest that people possessing strong religious beliefs and convinced atheists tend to share similarly positive mental health. The worst mental health is observed in those with more ambiguous, confused, and weaker religious or spiritual beliefs.

For example, a just-published study by Dr. Joseph Baker at East Tennessee State University indicates that atheists have the best mental health among the "nones," similar to that of the highly-religious. In contrast, "non-affiliated theists" had the poorest mental health.

These findings overlap with a classic British study which found that the "spiritual but not religious" had higher levels of drug dependency, abnormal eating, generalized anxiety disorder, neurotic disorders, and use of psychotropic medication, in comparison with both religious people and people who were "neither religious nor spiritual."

These results tantalizingly suggest that "certainty of belief," rather than the content of the belief itself, may be a key determinant of positive mental health in the groups studied. Contrariwise, uncertainty or inconsistency of belief, as sometimes witnessed in agnostics, the non-affiliated and the "spiritual but not religious" may be a risk factor for poor mental health.

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https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog ... -the-nones

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