JESUS IS NOT JEHOVAH

[onewithhim]

What do you all say about the following scriptures?

PSALM 110: 1,2:

"The utterance of Jehovah to my Lord [the Messiah] is: 'Sit at my right hand until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.' The rod of your strength Jehovah will send out of Zion, saying 'God subduing in the midst of your enemies.'" (Young's literal translation; American Standard Bible; NWT)

Does this coincide with the belief that Jehovah and Jesus are the same Person? Do you think they are according to this?


ISAIAH 61: 1,2:

"The spirit of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah is upon me [the Messiah], for the reason that Jehovah has anointed me to tell the good news to the meek ones. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to those taken captive and the wide opening of the eyes even to the prisoners; to proclaim the year of goodwill on the part of Jehovah and the day of vengeance on the part of our God; to comfort all the mourning ones." (Young's; American Standard Bible; NWT)

Does this show that there is only one Person sending and anointing? Someone who sends and anoints himself? Jesus applied this verse's mention of the Messiah to himself at LUKE 4:18-21. Was he speaking ONLY of himself, or was there someone else involved to do the sending and the anointing?

[Tcg]

No one can tell me if the transporter from Star Trek just kills you every time and makes a copy that goes on living as if it was the original, but it wasn't.

I can. No, the the transporter from Star Trek will not kill you. It is a prop from a science-fiction series.


Tcg

[onewithhim]

Every few months our body's cells are renewed. The liver we had three months ago is not the liver we have today, for example. The same for other parts of our bodies. Therefore, there should be no confusion over the promise of God to bring back to life every dead person, just as he was before, but with new cells.

[TheHolyGhost]

What do you all say about the following scriptures?

PSALM 110: 1,2:

"The utterance of Jehovah to my Lord [the Messiah] is: 'Sit at my right hand until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.' The rod of your strength Jehovah will send out of Zion, saying 'God subduing in the midst of your enemies.'" (Young's literal translation; American Standard Bible; NWT)

Does this coincide with the belief that Jehovah and Jesus are the same Person? Do you think they are according to this?


ISAIAH 61: 1,2:

"The spirit of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah is upon me [the Messiah], for the reason that Jehovah has anointed me to tell the good news to the meek ones. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to those taken captive and the wide opening of the eyes even to the prisoners; to proclaim the year of goodwill on the part of Jehovah and the day of vengeance on the part of our God; to comfort all the mourning ones." (Young's; American Standard Bible; NWT)

Does this show that there is only one Person sending and anointing? Someone who sends and anoints himself? Jesus applied this verse's mention of the Messiah to himself at LUKE 4:18-21. Was he speaking ONLY of himself, or was there someone else involved to do the sending and the anointing?

Jehovah is no longer the name of God. You are way behind in the times.
Like at least 2000 years.

[onewithhim]

What do you all say about the following scriptures?

PSALM 110: 1,2:

"The utterance of Jehovah to my Lord [the Messiah] is: 'Sit at my right hand until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.' The rod of your strength Jehovah will send out of Zion, saying 'God subduing in the midst of your enemies.'" (Young's literal translation; American Standard Bible; NWT)

Does this coincide with the belief that Jehovah and Jesus are the same Person? Do you think they are according to this?


ISAIAH 61: 1,2:

"The spirit of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah is upon me [the Messiah], for the reason that Jehovah has anointed me to tell the good news to the meek ones. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to those taken captive and the wide opening of the eyes even to the prisoners; to proclaim the year of goodwill on the part of Jehovah and the day of vengeance on the part of our God; to comfort all the mourning ones." (Young's; American Standard Bible; NWT)

Does this show that there is only one Person sending and anointing? Someone who sends and anoints himself? Jesus applied this verse's mention of the Messiah to himself at LUKE 4:18-21. Was he speaking ONLY of himself, or was there someone else involved to do the sending and the anointing?

Jehovah is no longer the name of God. You are way behind in the times.
Like at least 2000 years.

He has not changed His name.

[myth-one.com]

Every few months our body's cells are renewed. The liver we had three months ago is not the liver we have today, for example. The same for other parts of our bodies. Therefore, there should be no confusion over the promise of God to bring back to life every dead person, just as he was before, but with new cells.

Only the nonbelievers will be resurrected as they were before -- as human beings. They will be resurrected at the second resurrection which occurs a thousand years after the Second Coming.

Deceased believers will be resurrected as everlasting spiritual bodied beings equal unto the angels at the Second Coming. At that same time, Christians who are alive on the earth will be changed directly into spiritual beings without any time spent sleeping in a grave or tomb.

After that, there will be no human believers. All human believers (dead and living) will have received their reward.

[onewithhim]

Every few months our body's cells are renewed. The liver we had three months ago is not the liver we have today, for example. The same for other parts of our bodies. Therefore, there should be no confusion over the promise of God to bring back to life every dead person, just as he was before, but with new cells.

Only the nonbelievers will be resurrected as they were before -- as human beings. They will be resurrected at the second resurrection which occurs a thousand years after the Second Coming.

Deceased believers will be resurrected as everlasting spiritual bodied beings equal unto the angels at the Second Coming. At that same time, Christians who are alive on the earth will be changed directly into spiritual beings without any time spent sleeping in a grave or tomb.

After that, there will be no human believers. All human believers (dead and living) will have received their reward.

Will you back up your opinions with Scripture? Thank you.

[myth-one.com]

Every few months our body's cells are renewed. The liver we had three months ago is not the liver we have today, for example. The same for other parts of our bodies. Therefore, there should be no confusion over the promise of God to bring back to life every dead person, just as he was before, but with new cells.

Only the nonbelievers will be resurrected as they were before -- as human beings. They will be resurrected at the second resurrection which occurs a thousand years after the Second Coming.

Deceased believers will be resurrected as everlasting spiritual bodied beings equal unto the angels at the Second Coming. At that same time, Christians who are alive on the earth will be changed directly into spiritual beings without any time spent sleeping in a grave or tomb.

After that, there will be no human believers. All human believers (dead and living) will have received their reward.

Will you back up your opinions with Scripture? Thank you.

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the first fruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. (I Corinthians 15:22-23)

All of mankind are like the first man Adam in that all die. But every human who ever died (all) will be resurrected or made alive again. Jesus Christ was the first to be resurrected or made alive. The group that will be resurrected next are all dead Christians, they that are Christ's, which will be resurrected at the Second Coming, or at His coming.

A comparison between the buried dead physical bodies of believers versus the spiritual body they will be resurrected with is given in the book of First Corinthians:

So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. (1 Corinthianians 15:42-44)

So deceased believers will be resurrected as immortal spiritual bodied beings.

All Christians living at the time of the Second Coming will be changed into spirits and meet Jesus and those resurrected in the air:

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. (I Thessalonians 4:17)

If all deceased believers are resurrected as spirits and all living human believers are changed to spirits at that same time, then there are no longer any remaining human believers. All have received their rewards. They will then spend the Millennium with Jesus:

...and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. (Revelation 20:4)

The only deceased humans remaining to be resurrected are the nonbelievers. They will be resurrected a thousand years after the Second Coming:

But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. (Revelation 20:5)

They will be resurrected as humans, face judgment, and those whose names are not written in the Book of Life will be cast into the lake of fire and quickly suffer their second and permanent death.

Since they can die, they are human. Believers will gain everlasting life, while nonbelievers will perish, never to live again.

Let's try to not have to keep repeating this over and over.

Please tell me which of these scriptures do you not believe?

[onewithhim]

Every few months our body's cells are renewed. The liver we had three months ago is not the liver we have today, for example. The same for other parts of our bodies. Therefore, there should be no confusion over the promise of God to bring back to life every dead person, just as he was before, but with new cells.

Only the nonbelievers will be resurrected as they were before -- as human beings. They will be resurrected at the second resurrection which occurs a thousand years after the Second Coming.

Deceased believers will be resurrected as everlasting spiritual bodied beings equal unto the angels at the Second Coming. At that same time, Christians who are alive on the earth will be changed directly into spiritual beings without any time spent sleeping in a grave or tomb.

After that, there will be no human believers. All human believers (dead and living) will have received their reward.

Will you back up your opinions with Scripture? Thank you.

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the first fruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. (I Corinthians 15:22-23)

All of mankind are like the first man Adam in that all die. But every human who ever died (all) will be resurrected or made alive again. Jesus Christ was the first to be resurrected or made alive. The group that will be resurrected next are all dead Christians, they that are Christ's, which will be resurrected at the Second Coming, or at His coming.

A comparison between the buried dead physical bodies of believers versus the spiritual body they will be resurrected with is given in the book of First Corinthians:

So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. (1 Corinthianians 15:42-44)

So deceased believers will be resurrected as immortal spiritual bodied beings.

All Christians living at the time of the Second Coming will be changed into spirits and meet Jesus and those resurrected in the air:

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. (I Thessalonians 4:17)

If all deceased believers are resurrected as spirits and all living human believers are changed to spirits at that same time, then there are no longer any remaining human believers. All have received their rewards. They will then spend the Millennium with Jesus:

...and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. (Revelation 20:4)

The only deceased humans remaining to be resurrected are the nonbelievers. They will be resurrected a thousand years after the Second Coming:

But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. (Revelation 20:5)

They will be resurrected as humans, face judgment, and those whose names are not written in the Book of Life will be cast into the lake of fire and quickly suffer their second and permanent death.

Since they can die, they are human. Believers will gain everlasting life, while nonbelievers will perish, never to live again.

Let's try to not have to keep repeating this over and over.

Please tell me which of these scriptures do you not believe?

I agree with all of them. You use them to show your peculiar viewpoint, but they don't add up to what you are saying. Spirits can die, and you haven't proven anything against that. There is nothing there that supports your belief that spirits can't die.

[Jesus] "who alone has immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has ever seen or can see...." (I Timothy 6:16)

[myth-one.com]

Spirits can die, and you haven't proven anything against that. There is nothing there that supports your belief that spirits can't die.

A comparison between the buried dead physical bodies of believers versus the spiritual body they will be resurrected with is given in the book of First Corinthians:

So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. (1 Corinthianians 15:42-44)


Can those spiritual bodies in which deceased believers will be resurrected die?

If they can die, then John 3:16 is a lie:

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him, should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16)

If a being can die, then it cannot be described as everlasting.

Therefore, the spiritual bodies which await believers are everlasting, as that is what God promises us -- everlasting life.

When we receive our spiritual bodies we will be equal unto the angels. Speaking of those who shall inherit the Kingdom of God in the world to come, Jesus states:

Neither can they die any more, for they are equal unto the angels... (Luke 20:36)

So angels are immortal also.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #29]

No, angels are not immortal. Only the co-rulers with Christ. They have become immortal since Jesus started ruling as King in 1914 (ruling over his church here on Earth, heading up the preaching work, waiting for the precise moment that God will administer Armageddon.)