The Three Biblical Interpretations About Afterlife

[William]

Lately some of us have been arguing from three differing positions is which the bible can be used to defend all three. All three appear to agree that each individual has a "Soul" although there may be disagreement on what the exact function of a "Soul" is.

[1] A "Person" is "Spirit" and temporarily exists as a human being until the body dies then that "Person" enters an afterlife and is judged by "God" and is condemned or saved. Those saved go to "heaven" and those condemned go to "Hell" - or in some variances on this, are "exterminated".

[2] A "Person" a "Human being" and when the human being dies, that is the end of that person unless "God" judges them as "saved" in which case that person is resurrected and given a new body which will last forever more.

[3] A "Person" is an eternal Spirit in human form and when the body dies, that Spirit immediately moves to the next phase and either knowingly or unknowingly creates for their self, their next experience, based upon a combination of mainly what they believe, what their overall attitude is and what they did in the previous phase.

Often any different position which opposes another might logically mean that they both cannot be correct, assuming one or the other is true.

Both [1]&[2] fall into this category as they cannot both be true. [1]&[2] also both agree that [3] is false.

However, [3] Can be true without making the other two false.

And [3] - just as with [1]&[2] can be backed by the bible, depending on what parts of the bible once uses to do so.

The bible is interpreted throughout, based upon which position [1][2] or [3] is being used to interpret it through [the filter].

If [1]&[2] oppose each other but can still be "proven" by using the bible, then this makes the bible something of a contradiction.

But if [3] - although different from [1]&[2] does not oppose either [1]&[2] and can still be "proven" by using the bible just like [1]&[2], then [3] takes away the contradictory aspect of the bible which [1]&[2] create by being in opposition.

Question: Would it be fair to say therefore, that [3] is the best position to assume on the overall biblical script to do with the subject of the next phase [afterlife]?

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #120]

The spiritual being The Word no longer exists as flesh.

There is no longer any reason for the Word to exist as flesh.

[tam]

Peace to you,

[Replying to tam in post #95]

Christs return to this planet etc ...is connected to [2] Tam.

[2] and [3] and [1] all deal with people who have died (though I edited [1] and [2] a bit to make them more accurate, and to deal with the fact that some will never die). But none mention those people who are alive when Christ returns (and who never die). In regard to [3], there is no need to 'create one's own afterlife experience', if, in fact, one never dies.



Peace again.

[William]

[Replying to tam in post #123]

Specifically the thread is focused on the next phase and [3] holds the position that we each are Eternal Spirits so cannot die.

The belef in Jesus return to this planet is not under a different category because as with [1] [2] &[3] it is something which we currently have yet to experience.

Besides which, there is no indication that one couldn't choose a different reality experience than having to exist forever on the one planet in the one universe.

[PinSeeker]

It's you that's on the "trip," William. I'm glad you're enjoying it. Fair warning, though: It won't last. Grace and peace to you.

Not sure what you are arguing here pinseeker - you will have to give more details in order to get your argument across adequately enough for me to give a counter argument...what exactly are you warning 'won't last' and why?

I'm not really arguing anything, William, and I'm not really warning against anything. I mean what I say in the same vein as what we read in Acts 5, where Gamaliel says, "...if this plan or this undertaking is of man, it will fail..." Again, grace and peace to you.

Then you don't really know do you.

Well yes, I do, because I have a good Source, Whom I actually listen to. You know, instead of dreaming up stuff.

If you are not here to engage me in debating this, then I suggest you keep your personal comments to yourself, as they add nothing useful to the discussion.

Well I already did "engage you in debating this," and that debate was closed, I guess, apparently because... well, as Simon and Garfunkel put it many years ago, "...still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest" (The Boxer; 1968). So be it.

Grace and peace to you.

[2timothy316]

In a few words, what is the mechanism by which believers are saved.

That is, how does the ransom work?

Thanks, it appears that you believe Jesus' death on the cross saves believers.

I watched the video, and they stated that Jesus "gave His life as a ransom".

Are you and the video thus claiming that Jesus' death on the cross is the source of our salvation?

Thanks again.

"Just as the Son of man came, not to be ministered to, but to minister and to give his life as a ransom in exchange for many.” - Matthew 20:28
It is not what I claim but what the Bible claims is what I believe to be true. Adam lost life for all mankind, Jesus compensated for that that loss and has been given the rights to every human life as he rightfully should since it was his perfect life he gave. (John 5:22)

[William]

It's you that's on the "trip," William. I'm glad you're enjoying it. Fair warning, though: It won't last. Grace and peace to you.

Not sure what you are arguing here pinseeker - you will have to give more details in order to get your argument across adequately enough for me to give a counter argument...what exactly are you warning 'won't last' and why?

I'm not really arguing anything, William, and I'm not really warning against anything. I mean what I say in the same vein as what we read in Acts 5, where Gamaliel says, "...if this plan or this undertaking is of man, it will fail..." Again, grace and peace to you.

Then you don't really know do you.

Well yes, I do, because I have a good Source, Whom I actually listen to. You know, instead of dreaming up stuff.

And so do I, and it isn't about dreaming up anything. It is about personal experience and a good deal of study, including extra-biblical.

So your argument there is simply assumptive and fallacy for that.

If you are not here to engage me in debating this, then I suggest you keep your personal comments to yourself, as they add nothing useful to the discussion.

Well I already did "engage you in debating this," and that debate was closed, I guess, apparently because... well, as Simon and Garfunkel put it many years ago, "...still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest" (The Boxer; 1968). So be it.

It appears your idea of engaging has to do with the "my way or the highway" attitude, and when you get no joy you simply close yourself up in your own beliefs and then quote such as the above in an effort to project what you are guilty of doing, onto another who is not doing that at all...

That in itself is a practice which the fearful use in order to cast shadows upon that which they don't want to hear.

[1213]

...A "Person" is an eternal Spirit ...Would it be fair to say therefore, that [3] is the best position to assume on the overall biblical script to do with the subject of the next phase [afterlife]?

Bible tells that some people are destroyed in hell (Gehenna), both soul and body. That is why I think it is wrong to say al are eternal.

And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Matt. 10:28

Eternal life is only promised for righteous.

These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
Mat. 25:46

For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 6:23

[PinSeeker]

It appears your idea of engaging has to do with the "my way or the highway" attitude...

I do tend to dismiss folly as... well, folly, yes. It is what it is. We're not in total disagreement, though; you're right about our eternality, so there's that.

Grace and peace to you.

[William]

...A "Person" is an eternal Spirit ...Would it be fair to say therefore, that [3] is the best position to assume on the overall biblical script to do with the subject of the next phase [afterlife]?

Bible tells that some people are destroyed in hell (Gehenna), both soul and body. That is why I think it is wrong to say al are eternal.

[3] does not recognize the body [flesh or otherwise] as being The Spirit [person]...the soul is simply the interface between the developed personality of the human experience the Spirit is having and store the data of experience of that lifetime of that Spirit having said experience.

And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Matt. 10:28

[3] Interprets that as an ability The Eternal Creator has, not one which is necessarily used. [3] shows a far more capable manner in which to deal with the undesirable elementals which unfold within the process.

Jesus is specifically speaking to those who would otherwise be doomed to the creations they would otherwise manifest for themselves re their wreathed imaginations.

Eternal life is only promised for righteous.

A more blissful appropriate one in the immediate for sure. The righteous are right. They have fearlessly worked it out and have a very good grasp of the details re this and the next phase.
They are the one who learned how to access the secrets Jesus spoke of regarding "The Fathers Kingdom".

These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
Mat. 25:46

Again - Jesus is speaking this to a specific audience who otherwise couldn't hope to accept the greater reality. They do not see themselves in any way as "Eternal Spirits" and even to suggest that to them would be seen as blasphemy and a sin worthy of being executed for committing.

Those types require an image of The Creator whom will impart their kind of justice - justice as they understand it and expect it to be. Justice that they will get to experience when they create their next phase reality. [read John 10:31-42.]

[JehovahsWitness]

The spiritual being The Word no longer exists as flesh.

I didn't ask about The Word, I' m asking about the fouth individual

My question is : At that moment did there become FOUR seperate beings? namely....

1. Almighty God the Father
2. The holy Spirit
3. The Word
4. "The Word became Flesh"

Yes, they were four separate beings.

My question is about the 4th individual (being), namely "The word made FLESH" ... does HE ("the word made flesh") still exist?

NOTE I am not asking about The Word (I understand he stayed in heaven) I'm asking about #4



JW