Jehovah's Witnesses: False Prophecies

[We_Are_VENOM]

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First off, let me preface this by saying the following..

1. As mentioned on another thread, I have many years invested in dealing with Jehovah's Witnesses (JW's), from family, to friends, to strangers. I am very familiar with them and their theology.

2. I am beginning a series of threads attacking their "Christian" theology and doctrine. This one, as titled, deals with Jehovah's Witnesses and their false prophecies.

3. I have beef with, not only JW's, but ANYONE of whom I believe to be spreading false Christian doctrine. This includes, but not limited to...

A.) Mormons
B.) Catholics
C.) World Mission Society Church of God
D.) Hebrew Israelites

Jehovah's Witnesses are just one of many false Christian denominations. But, we are talking about Jehovah's Witnesses for now.

So, the question is ultimately; Why do I feel as if Jehovah's Witnesses are false teachers? There are many reasons, and one of those reasons is their many failed attempts at predicting prophecy.

Before I continue on post #2, keep in mind that future threads in this series will go straight to the gusto, with no preface.

Just FYI.

[Checkpoint]

My one said: "What event did Jesus state would end those "times"?"

Yours said: "what would happen when the gentile time ended".

I'm sorry I thought you were referring to the gentile "times" ... what "times" were you asking about? Perhaps in the interest of clarity you can cite the exact verse you are asking about.

I was referring to the gentile times, as in Luke 21:24.

Please now answer my post accordingly.

[JehovahsWitness]

That Jesus has ruled from heaven since Pentecost ...

Scripture please?

I think I've been very clear:

• The kingdom had come when Jesus was born, as the wise men acknowledged to Herod that Jesus had been born King of the Jews in Matthew 2:2.

• Jesus, about 33 years later, acknowledged that He was King of the Jews before Pilate ...

King of the Jews or king of the world?

[JehovahsWitness]

I was referring to the gentile times, as in Luke 21:24.

So was I. I have nothing to add.

Have an excellent weekend,



JW

[JehovahsWitness]

STRAWMAN: Why are you asking that of me? Are you claiming Jehovah's Witnesses say this? Jehovah's Witnesses teach that it is only through Jesus we are saved (John 6:40).

... So, are you saying that I can be saved by the blood of Christ without becoming a Jehovah's Witness and in essence belonging to the WTS?

That is correct.

"You do not have to become a Jehovah's Witness in order to be saved".

Can we agree to those terms?

If int he terms you mean be a baptized active member of our modern day organisation and by saved you mean survive Armageddon , and then no you dont have to be a Jehovahs Witness to be saved.

Can we agree to those terms?

Agreed.


FURTHER READING : Do Jehovah’s Witnesses Feel That They Are the Only People Who Will Be Saved?
https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/who-saved/



RELATED POSTS

SALVATION

What role does religion play in salvation?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 44#p799144

What do Jehovah's Witnesss encourage non-Witnesses that want to survive Armageddon to do?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 92#p865292

Do Jehovahs Witnesses believe non-Witnesse are "unsaved" (condemned to annihilation)?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 44#p799144

Do Jehovahs witnesses believe JEWS or MUSLIMS who die believing in their religions have no hope of a resurrection?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 0#p1003130

WILL ALL NON-WITNESSES BE DESTROYED ?

Did the Watchtower of 1989 say that only Jehovah's Witnesses have the hope of surviving Armageddon?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 74#p865274

Will these "survivors" of Armageddon all only be Jehovah's Witnesses, with automatic death to all non-Witnesses? (scroll down)
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 78#p917178

Will those that are NOT Jehovah's Witnesses be automatically condemned?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 30#p861330

WHO do the Witnesses believe will be destroyed at Armageddon?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 8#p1003198

IS HEAVEN /PARADISE ONLY FOR JEHOVAHS WITNESSES ?

Do Jehovahs Witnesses believe only Jehovahs Witnesses go to heaven?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 90#p910390

Do Jehovahs Witnesses believe that Jews and Muslims that die believing in their faiths will have no hope of being in Paradise?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 0#p1003130

Do Jehovah's Witnesses believe it one's religion "doesnt matter" when it comes to eternal life? (scroll down)
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 52#p812352

DO JWs BELIEVE THEY ARE IN THE ONLY TRUE RELIGION?

Does the fact that Jehovah's Witnesses believe only their ORGANIZATION will survive Harmageddon not constitute a belief that no other individuals outside their organization will survive?
viewtopic.php?p=1003655#p1003655

Does the fact that Jehovah's Witnesses believe their religion is true mean they feel or display contempt for non-Witnesses?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 78#p862978

Do Jehovahs Witnesses condemn Jews and Muslims ?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 20#p854020

To learn more please go to other posts related to...

ORGANISATIONAL INFALLIBILITY , RELIGIOUS TRUTH and ...EXCLUSIVITY OF SALVATION

[JehovahsWitness]

Scripturally speaking there is nothing "arrogant" about believing one has found the truth.

No, but there is arrogance in claiming that you (your organization) IS the truth.

STRAWMAN: "The truth" in all those expressions refer to bible truths not the modern day organisation which did not even exist until 1879.



There is nothing unscriptural about the terminology. You seem to be attributing a meaning to the terms contrary to intent. May I suggest you do some further research on JWs terminology before you attempt to criticize it.

To learn more please go to other posts related to...

RELIGIOUS TRUTH, THE TRUE RELIGION and ...ORGANISATIONAL INFALLIBILITY

[PinSeeker]

King of the Jews or king of the world?

King of kings, and Lord of lords. I do see that you cherry-picked from the references I provided, and I'm not at all surprised by that. But yes, King and Lord (and God) of all, though some do not now and will never acknowledge that -- they do not believe because they are not among His sheep (John 10) -- until His return and the Judgment and after they are sent away, of course, and this is because they will never be repentant of their sin.

And... it is both/and... in a different sense, King of the Jews. But then we have to understand who true Jews (those of God's Israel) really are.

Grace and peace to you.

[JehovahsWitness]

Scripturally speaking there is nothing "arrogant" about believing one has found the truth.

As I stated in the OP, when someone leaves the WTS , that person has "left the truth" (according to Jehovah's Witnesses).

And if that person returns to the WTS , then that person is said to have "returned to the truth".

As if whether a person has the truth is based upon membership of the WTS .

STRAWMAN THE W[ B]TS is a legal entity. The 8 million or or Jehovahs Witnesses are no part of it.

Can I have Jesus without belonging to the WTS?

Yes. May I suggest you do some further research on JWs terminology before you attempt to criticize it.





JEHOVAHS WITNESS





Further reading: Jehovah's Witnesses Who Are We?
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/vide ... -we-intro/

RELATED POSTS

What is the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 41#p898341

What year as the WBTS formed?
viewtopic.php?p=1022875#p1022875

[JehovahsWitness]

STRAWMAN Jehovahs Witnesses have never claimed to know something Jesus did not. They have expresses (somewhat over enthusiasticly at times) what they believe, their opinions, regarding to revealed prophecies. Like Peter, they were wrong and have been duly corrected. Rather a Peter than a Judas!

JW

No, those were more than just opinions ...

[JehovahsWitness]

But, the problem is, the WTS is currently misleading millions of people in one what or another, with an overall flawed message that, (in my opinion) is not inspired by God and has no place in Christianity.

Okay. Now would be the time to actually point out the flaws.

3. I have beef with, not only JW's, but ANYONE of whom I believe to be spreading false Christian doctrine.

And what are the "false Christian doctrine[s]" you believe Jehovah's Witnesses are spreading?

So far all I can see is grandeous statements, inflamatory opinion, straw man arguments and a notable lack of scripture. Did you leave your bible in the car?



Over to you.



JEHOVAH'S WITNESS

[onewithhim]

Peace to you,

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #17]

In one of your related posts, you referenced,

Did JWs confess in a 1968 article to being False Prophets?
viewtopic.php?p=1038819#p1038819

The article quotes:

True, there have been those in times past who have predicted the "end to the world", even announcing a specific date. Some have gathered groups of people with them and fled to the hills or withdrawn into their houses, waiting for the end. Yet nothing happened. The "end" did not come. They were guilty of false prophesying.

So what is the difference between 'them' and the WTS... that 'they' were guilty of false prophesying while the WTS was not?


Peace again.

Sometimes I wonder if our stuff is read at all. We have said many times that we have not claimed to be prophets---people who claim that they are getting their messages straight from God's mouth. We say that we look at the scriptures and try to discern their meaning and then publish what we thought they meant. That is not what a prophet does. A prophet says he got a message from God himself, and many of them will speak of a specific day that something will happen. The WTS has made some good guesses, but has realized the error of trying to pin anything down, so we just go with the "season" of something, which Jesus made plain in his teaching. No other religion, it is true, has gotten the importance of 1914 at all. It was not the end but it was the termination of the influence of the nations over God's people (like bullies on the playground) without God's full involvement. Since 1914 he has had his Son get fully involved and start by guiding his followers to spread the word of the Kingdom throughout the nations before the end comes. (Matt.24:14)

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