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IT is therefore clear that Jesus cannot have possibly lived a genuine Human Experience. He did not DO what other humans could do [sin] as well as he could DO what other humans have not been able to do. [re all of the 3 points of the OP]not just anyone can be used as a conduit for those abilities from Jehovah. Jesus was the only begotten Son of God and the best that could ever be offered. He was sent from heaven and was a perfect man. No imperfect, sinful human that descended from Adam could take the place of Jesus Christ.
Yes, it was necessary to send Jesus or even another angel in order that a sinless human could be possible, and yes, Jesus couldhave sinned if he chose to do so. (Isn't that what the once sinless Devil did---he chose to sin and rebel against God?) "God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name" (Phil.2:9) because he, Jesus, chose to remain obedient to God and not sin.William wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 9:02 pm [Replying to onewithhim in post #110]
IT is therefore clear that Jesus cannot have possibly lived a genuine Human Experience. He did not DO what other humans could do [sin] as well as he could DO what other humans have not been able to do. [re all of the 3 points of the OP]not just anyone can be used as a conduit for those abilities from Jehovah. Jesus was the only begotten Son of God and the best that could ever be offered. He was sent from heaven and was a perfect man. No imperfect, sinful human that descended from Adam could take the place of Jesus Christ.
Now if you want to argue that Jesus [sent from heaven by The Father] was necessary [in order that a sinless human could be possible] but that if he had chosen to do so, he could have sinned, we can investigate that option further.
Do you have anything to support this statement?Jesus could have sinned if he chose to do so.
The question you have written is different rather than better than the OP, as the focus of the thread topic is engaging with the idea that what we are informed of Biblical Jesus, shows us clearly that he cannot have had a Genuine Human Experience - not merely that he didn't have an experience of being within Human form. The three main points detailed in the OP make that quite clear.Revelations won wrote: ↑Tue Oct 05, 2021 9:01 pm Perhaps, the better question should be: Did Jesus have any experience during his 33 years in mortality that was NOT HUMAN?
Why was Jesus put through the tests that he was subjected to if he could not sin? All of his suffering would have been a charade. He could have been disobedient as well as obedient. He had the choice. And he was "obedient to the point of death." Because he was obedient, "God exalted him to a superior position." (Philippians 2:8,9) If it was already a given that he would not sin, what he went through would have been totally unnecessary. It was a challenge for him---a BIG challenge, and it weighed on him heavily.William wrote: ↑Tue Oct 05, 2021 11:02 am [Replying to onewithhim in post #112]
Do you have anything to support this statement?Jesus could have sinned if he chose to do so.
In the meantime, do you think Human Beings could not sin, if they chose not to do so? According to some interpretations, all human beings are born into sin - born sinful already.
What 'tests' are you referring to?Why was Jesus put through the tests that he was subjected to if he could not sin?
Where does the OP state that he did not experience suffering?All of his suffering would have been a charade.
"God exalted him to a superior position." (Philippians 2:8,9)
Why?If it was already a given that he would not sin, what he went through would have been totally unnecessary.
Where is your support for the assertion that not sinning was "a BIG challenge" which weighed him down?It was a challenge for him---a BIG challenge, and it weighed on him heavily.
All humans ARE born into sin, but Jesus was the exception.
