Did He Ever Really Have a Human Experience - re "Biblical Jesus"

[William]

Q: Given the information available, how can anyone claim that Jesus was ever really a human being, other than the form he occupied appeared to those who saw it, to be human?

Some bullet points re that information available.





° He was not the off-spring of two human parents.

















° He remembered a prior existence and spoke about it to his followers, often.

















° He was able to do things which appeared to be magic, but were actually miracles, because they were not the product of human invention [underhanded trickery] but rather the product of some type of channeling. [overhanded [divine] trickery]












The above examples are enough to get the ball rolling...

[William]

I remind you of your own beliefs about this;

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #49]

It doesn't matter to me what you or your denomination believe. Obviously biblical Jesus' own beliefs about who he was have to be considered [appropriately enough] to be more significant than any Christians belief to the contrary..

Really?

Yes.

It seems to me it mattered enough to you to take the time to type an entire post(#46) on your conclusions about our beliefs?

In relation to biblical Jesus' own beliefs about who he was, it was obviously necessary.

In any case, consider yourself corrected as to the point that we believe Jesus came to earth as a spirit in human form... we do not

Point noted [again].

This in itself, only lends support to the OP argument that Jesus did not have a genuine human experience like the rest of us, unless it is also your belief that we are all like Jesus, in that we can grow to remember ourselves as having a prior existence. Do you believe that? If not, then the OP claim is true enough.
Double standards, scare-crow arguments, and magic cake eating are fallacies in their own right, and are dismissed as the irrelevant objects of belief they are, in relation to truthful debate tactics.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to William in post #40]

I don't agree that JehovahsWitness's comments are strawmen. They make very good points, and it is rather sad that you do not recognize that.

[William]

[Replying to William in post #40]

I don't agree that JehovahsWitness's comments are strawmen.

Well I gave good argument as to why they are straw. What have you given in return?

They make very good points,

No - they make very good stuffing.

and it is rather sad that you do not recognize that.

Here - go blow your nose.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to William in post #40]

I don't agree that JehovahsWitness's comments are strawmen.

Well I gave good argument as to why they are straw. What have you given in return?

They make very good points,

No - they make very good stuffing.

and it is rather sad that you do not recognize that.

Here - go blow your nose.

Thank you, I will.

[Revelations won]

Dear William,

You first stated that JESUS ,"WAS not the offspring of two human parents.

My response: Do you have proof that this was not the case?

You next stated: "He remembered a prior existence and spoke about it to his followers, often).

My response: How does his prior existence in any manner different from our prior existence referred to in the Bible?

You next stated : "He was able to do things which appeared to be magic, but were actually miracles, because they were not the product of human invention [underhanded trickery]
but rather the product of some type of channeling. [overhanded [divine] trickery]

My responses: What evidence do you have in support of your above claim? What evidence do you have to claim and support your claim of divine trickery?

Talk is cheap, but if you have undeniable evidence to support your claims, then let's see your evidence and clear facts.

Kind regards,
RW

[William]

[Replying to Revelations won in post #55]

You first stated that JESUS ,"was not the offspring of two human parents.

Do you have proof that this was not the case?

No. All we both have to go by is what the stories tell us. Are you saying that Jesus had a Human father? The story tells us he had a Human mother and that his father was not Human...so your question intrigues me.

He remembered a prior existence and spoke about it to his followers, often

How does his prior existence in any manner different from our prior existence referred to in the Bible?

You will have to clarify. I am unaware that there is any reference in the bible of our having memories of a prior existence.

What evidence do you have to claim and support your claim of divine trickery?

I said it was overhanded [divine] trickery. This was to emphasis the opposition re all things underhanded. With that in mind, please rephrase your question appropriately.

The thread is specifically about Jesus not having a genuine, authentic human experience.

The OPQ is specific to that. Do you have any answer to the OPQ?

Q: Given the information available, how can anyone claim that Jesus was ever really a human being, other than the form he occupied appeared to those who saw it, to be human?

[onewithhim]

There have been very good answers to these comments in previous posts.

[William]

There have been very good answers to these comments in previous posts.

There have been strawman answers which are not 'very good' in relation to debate.

[otseng]

Here - go blow your nose.

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"it is rather sad that you do not recognize that."

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