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The 144,000 in JW theology

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My understanding only 144,000 JWs go to heaven in total over the sum of human history.

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/q ... to-heaven/

Is that correct?

There are 9 million JWs worldwide (rounded up).

https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesse ... w-many-jw/

Will the vast majority of them not go to heaven and be annihilated? What happens to the JWs that don't make the 144, 000?
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"For this is what Jehovah says, The Creator of the heavens, the true God, The One who formed the earth, its Maker who firmly established it, Who did not create it simply for nothing, but formed it to be inhabited:" Isaiah 45:18

"The righteous will possess the earth, And they will live forever on it." Ps 37:29

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[Replying to 2timothy316 in post #2]

Please explain? Is it only 144,000 and annihilation for the rest?
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[Replying to Wootah in post #1]
What happens to the JWs that don't make the 144, 000?
Ah yes, such a good question. You'll get some very interesting answers.

Here are two recently posted to me by a JW.
onewithhim wrote:

We will all achieve the state of perfection comparable to what Adam had. Of course, after we are perfect we must stand on Jehovah's and Jesus' side and refuse to follow Satan when he is let out of the "abyss." After this final test we all will have come alive---geared to live forever, because we remained faithful to God.

Humans will start becoming perfect during the Millennial Reign of Christ. We will have 1,000 years to achieve perfection, and then we will "come alive," truly, then being able to live forever (after the final test by Satan)

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Re: The 144,000 in JW theology

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Wootah wrote: Mon Aug 23, 2021 11:06 pm [Replying to 2timothy316 in post #2]

Please explain? Is it only 144,000 and annihilation for the rest?
No, the bible speaks of a great crowd that may number into the billions that will we believe live forever in Paradise. Also many millions or even perhaps billions of people that will be resurrected from the dead to join them.




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Wootah wrote: Mon Aug 23, 2021 11:06 pm [Replying to 2timothy316 in post #2]

Please explain? Is it only 144,000 and annihilation for the rest?
The rest will be on the Earth forever, as the Bible says in the scriptures I quoted.

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To whom it may concern,

It should be remembered that the interpretation of the JW's is a private interpretation and should be considered as such....

What about Abraham, Issac and Jacob and their descendants as well as all of the prophets in the Old and New Testaments? They did not belong to the JW church.

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We know that the number 144000 is a literal number for several reasons:

1) is mentioned more than once in Revelation referring to the same group (Rev. 7:4; 14:1,3)

2) the Bible describes it as "the number of those who were sealed" (Gr .: τον αριθμον των εσφραγισμενων) in Rev 7:4;

3) when contrasted with the great crowd, it is necessarily indicated that it is a definite, well-determined number (Rev. 7: 4-10) contrasting the other crowd;

4) in Rev.14: 4 it is said that they were "bought from among mankind as firstfruits", and that implies that it is a limited selection or quantity (compare with the expression "little flock" in Luke 12:32);

5) only this group is considered as "priests and kings" (Rev. 1:5,6; 5:9,10; 20:4-6; Luke 12:32; 22:28-30). It is incongruous to think that in the total people who serve God, all are kings or all are priests, since these services are performed by a minority over a majority ... Just as in Israel, not all the Israelites were members of the group of priests who served in the tabernacle or the temple of Jehovah, which was only allowed to the Levites. Even some priestly functions only belonged to the descendants of Aaron, and others were exclusive functions of the High Priest (Heb. 5:4-6) ;

6) when in Revelation 6:11 the already dead are told that they should wait a little longer, they are told how long: "until the number was filled (gr .: πληρωθωσιν which is to reach a fullness or become complete) of their fellow slaves and their brothers".

7) In the NT there are indications that Jehovah's servants prior to Jesus are not part of the covenant that was made with the future kings of the kingdom (Matt. 11:11; 1 Pet. 1:10-12). That covenant was validated with the death of Jesus Christ (Luke 22:20,28,29). Obviously, the rest of God's servants who are not part of that covenant will be resurrected on earth and will live alongside the great crowd that will survive the end of this system of things.

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Re: The 144,000 in JW theology

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Curious. How many Jehovah's Witnesses does the JW organization see comprising the 144,000? Or don't they have any idea?


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[Replying to Eloi in post #8]

On a personal note - are you trying to achieve that status of one of the 144,000?
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