Jesus - The Mystic. Secrets Revealed.

[William]

From the evidence re the bible stories, Jesus was obviously a mystic and knew about things which were hidden from the mainstream human consciousness.

He also encouraged his followers to learn the hidden things to do with mysticism.

It has been my experience that Christians generally frown upon such practices involving hidden knowledge and often label it as 'of the devil' or 'occult'.

Obviously Christians who say such things are unaware that 'Occult' simply means 'hidden' and there are ample references where Jesus speaks about that which is hidden, and even more biblical references regarding that which the biblical God hides from the general Human population.

Some of those biblical references are shown below [KJV]

“For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad.”
“He revealeth the deep and secret things: he knoweth what is in the darkness, and the light dwelleth with him.”
“Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.”
“Have not I commanded thee? Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the LORD thy God is with thee whithersoever thou goest.”
“Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.”
“The secret of the LORD is with them that fear him; and he will shew them his covenant.”
“The king answered unto Daniel, and said, Of a truth it is, that your God is a God of gods, and a Lord of kings, and a revealer of secrets, seeing thou couldest reveal this secret.”
“It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.”
“Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.”
“For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.”
“Then was the secret revealed unto Daniel in a night vision. Then Daniel blessed the God of heaven.”
“For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.”
“Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.”
"Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit."
“He discovereth deep things out of darkness, and bringeth out to light the shadow of death.”
“Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:”
“The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.”

It is understood that the use of the words "light" and "dark" reference knowledge.
The "light" reveals what is there to be known which was once hidden - which is what the "dark" represents...that which has yet to be known.

Often knowledge is cherry picked in relation to the individual character, and what that character identifies with, which is why we often see Christians arguing with one another and form groups of like-minded characters [denominations] all thinking they are 'true Christians' while the others are 'false'.

Q: Can Christianity be said to be a conduit of that hidden knowledge, and if so, how is that being shown to the world?

[myth-one.com]

Q: Can Christianity be said to be a conduit of that hidden knowledge, and if so, how is that being shown to the world?

Absolutely not. Christianity is based upon a book which cannot be understand by mankind:

And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed: And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned. (Isaiah 29:11-12)

Even the twelve apostles did not understand the scriptures until Jesus opened their understanding shortly before ascending into heaven:

Then opened He their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, (Luke 24:45)

The words of the book will not be unsealed until the time of the end:

But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased. (Daniel 12:4)

And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness. (Isaiah 29:18)

[William]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #2]

Why is any book written if it cannot be understood by those who read it?

Perhaps there is more to that than what you think you know about it, especially given that you are using the same words of the book as if you yourself understand what the book is saying.

How does you post tie in with the OP subject? Can you elaborate for us please.

[Eloi]

[Replying to William in post #1]
Are you suggesting that Jesus' teachings were all difficult to understand?

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #2]

Why is any book written if it cannot be understood by those who read it?

It's a learning tool.

Perhaps there is more to that than what you think you know about it, especially given that you are using the same words of the book as if you yourself understand what the book is saying.

Perhaps.

But the way to understanding the scriptures is written in the scriptures.

Is that a Catch-22?

How does your post tie in with the OP subject? Can you elaborate for us please.

Can Christianity be said to be a conduit of that hidden knowledge, and if so, how is that being shown to the world?

I answered that question.

Today's Christianity generally cannot be a conduit of the scriptures because the scriptures are sealed from their understanding.

There may be some denomination of Christians which understand the scriptures somewhere. But not to my knowledge.

[William]

[Replying to William in post #1]
Are you suggesting that Jesus' teachings were all difficult to understand?

Which teachings are you referring to?

Why would you get that from the OP Subject?

[William]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #5]

Why is any book written if it cannot be understood by those who read it?

It's a learning tool.

But to learn, one must understand, yes?

Perhaps there is more to that than what you think you know about it, especially given that you are using the same words of the book as if you yourself understand what the book is saying.

Perhaps.

But the way to understanding the scriptures is written in the scriptures.

Today's Christianity generally cannot be a conduit of the scriptures because the scriptures are sealed from their understanding.

The OPQ clearly asks "Can Christianity be said to be a conduit of that hidden knowledge, and if so, how is that being shown to the world?"
"That hidden knowledge" is mysticism...Mysticism is often known as a process of becoming one with The Creator, but also refers to any kind of experience or altered state of consciousness which is given a spiritual meaning.
You appear to be only equating mysticism with 'understanding the bible'. Why is that?

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #5]

Why is any book written if it cannot be understood by those who read it?

It's a learning tool.

But to learn, one must understand, yes?

If there are two ways to live life, God's and man's, and one is better than the other, and a person lives their way and fails, then looking back, that person probably learned that God's way was the best way to live. The understanding comes at the end.

Perhaps there is more to that than what you think you know about it, especially given that you are using the same words of the book as if you yourself understand what the book is saying.

Perhaps.

But the way to understanding the scriptures is written in the scriptures.

Today's Christianity generally cannot be a conduit of the scriptures because the scriptures are sealed from their understanding.

The OPQ clearly asks "Can Christianity be said to be a conduit of that hidden knowledge, and if so, how is that being shown to the world?"

You appear to be equating mysticism with 'understanding the bible'. Why is that?

A conduit is a channel for conveying. They have to know the knowledge before they can conduit it.

I'm assuming that the "hidden information" you refer to is hidden within the scriptures. The scriptures are the Christian's "holy book".

[William]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #8]

If there are two ways to live life, God's and man's, and one is better than the other, and a person lives their way and fails, then looking back, that person probably learned that God's way was the best way to live. The understanding comes at the end.

Is this mysticism you are teaching?

A conduit is a channel for conveying. They have to know the knowledge before they can conduit it.

I'm assuming that the "hidden information" you refer to is hidden within the scriptures. The scriptures are the Christian's "holy book".

While I was editing my last post you replied.

Why did you presume that the hidden information I referred to [re mysticism] is hidden only within the bible?

The OP states that Jesus was obviously a mystic and knew about things which were hidden from the mainstream human consciousness.

Does the bible tell us how to walk on water or raise the dead or connect with memories of a former existence, or experience altered states of consciousness, or communicate with the spirit world?

[William]

What are some Christian practices which incorporate mysticism re the potential initiate?

I would say Prayer, Symbolic customs [as in the bread and wine or understanding the commandments], Speaking in tongues...practices such as these.

So the bible does touch on many examples of the practicing of mysticism but does not go into great detail.
Perhaps the oft overlooked reasons for this is that the expectation of mysticism, is that those who practice such, would gravitate to the things more-hidden, as a natural consequence. Like taking baby steps learning to walk before one can run and learning to run before one can fly...

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