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Biblical Creation Stories - Same Event - Different Day

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From the Fudging The Evidence Thread;
myth-one.com wrote: Mon Sep 06, 2021 7:34 pm
Tcg wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 4:21 pm Paleontology is the science that primarily seeks to understand fossil evidence:

It would be quite a stretch to suggest that it supports biblical accounts.
The creation of Adam & Eve can be traced back to about 6,000 years ago. But the earth is about 4.55 billion years of age according to scientists.
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. (Genesis 1:1-2)
From this point there are two possibilities: Either God created the earth originally without form, void, and dark; or God created the earth as "good" and over time it came to be without form, void, and dark.

Before making that choice, note that everything God created in Genesis beginning in verse 3 of chapter 1 was said to be "good" by God.

Also, other translations of the original Hebrew text indicate that something occurred and the earth had reached this state. For example, the New International Version® of the Bible renders the same verses as follows:
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty; darkness was over the surface of the deep... (Genesis 1:1-2)
That is, God originally created the heavens and the earth good in verse one, and over a period of time the earth had become formless, void, and dark.

The Biblical evidence points to the idea that Genesis 1:1 describes the complete original creation of the heaven and the earth:
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. (Genesis 1:1)
This verse is all the info we are given about the original creation of the heaven and the earth. We are not told more because it does not affect us. In fact, Adam and Eve do not appear until the re-creation of the decimated earth which does not occur until about 4.55 billion years later.

That re-creation begins in Genesis 1:3.

============== How Paleontology supports the biblical account above =============

Dinosaurs became extinct about 66 million years ago according to Paleontologists.

Adam and Eve were created about 6,000 years ago.

In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth.

Since man was created in a six-earthly-day creation 6,000 years ago, and dinosaurs roamed the earth billions of years ago, then paleontology supports the biblical account that the earth was created billions of years ago and had come to be without form, void, and dark sometime prior to 6,000 years ago.

That is, Genesis 1:1 describes the original creation of the heaven and the earth, and Genesis 1:3 then begins the re-creation of a formless, void, and dark earth to it's original good condition.

The Bible and Paleontology are complementary on this accounting.
Q: If the above is true, are we to suppose that Adam [and Eve] were implanted upon the planet in forms which did not evolve naturally, in order to account for the 6,000 years the 2nd biblical story of creation works off of [specific to Humans], when we know that the human form evolved through a far longer period of time?

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Re: Biblical Creation Stories - Same Event - Different Day

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William wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 11:43 pm
God originally created the heavens and the earth good in verse one, and over a period of time the earth had become formless, void, and dark.
Why would The Creator not be perpetually thinking it was 'good' in regard to the Earth, regardless of what state of progress it was in, re the process?
Because He cannot lie?
William wrote:What made the Earth become "become formless, void, and dark", presuming that you are claiming that it didn't start out that way, because of what you wrote here;
In fact, Adam and Eve do not appear until the re-creation of the decimated earth which does not occur until about 4.55 billion years later.
After God originally created the heavens and earth in Genesis 1:1, He did not abandon it to its own fate. He placed a caretaker and a host of subordinates to care for the earth. The head angel in charge was Lucifer who became known as the devil or Satan after his rebellion. In the book of Luke, when Satan tempted Jesus for forty days in the desert, Satan offered Jesus power over all the kingdoms of the earth:
And the devil, taking him up into a high mountain, showed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whosoever I will I give it. If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine. (Luke 4:5-7)
Jesus did not question the devil's authority to give him power over the earth. He knew that Satan did indeed have control over the earth and could give or share this power with whomever he pleased.

Once God makes a covenant, or testament, or promise, He always keeps it. Satan was given rule over the earth, and although he rebelled against his creator, God did not and will not violate the agreement. Satan was given rule over the world and a ruler must be defeated and overthrown! This is one of the reasons Jesus is coming to the earth, to defeat Satan.

So the ruler of the earth is Satan, and he decided sometime between the first two verses of the Bible to rebel against God:
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!... For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God... I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. (Isaiah 14:12-14)
The ultimate results of his rebellion and rule are the conditions of chaos described on the earth in verse two. The angels who rebelled with him are "chained up" awaiting the day of judgment":
And the angels which kept not their first estate (the earth), but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. (Jude 1:6)
William wrote:You also claim;
We are not told more because it does not affect us.
But if that is the case, there is still the conundrum that paleontology and the Bible do not support each other on this point, and it has to concern us, because we have no evidence that any "re-creation of the decimated Earth" ever occurred.
There is a heavenly world and a natural world now, and man can only understand the natural world. Here's how Jesus put it:
If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? (John 3:11-12)
The earth was originally part of the Kingdom of Heaven, now it is not. Man now has dominion over the earth.

Why is that a conundrum, we did not have agreement on the "void" bit until yesterday. The earth has survived massive destructive events in the past and survived. When asteroid Theia hit earth over four billion years ago, parts of it and earth flew off to form our moon. Theia was estimated to be about the size of Mars.

Without the angels there to take preventive steps, perhaps that was the cause of the earth becoming without form, void, and dark.

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Re: Biblical Creation Stories - Same Event - Different Day

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[Replying to myth-one.com in post #21]

First you claim that in the beginning God created the heaven and the earth and that this verse is all the info we are given about the original creation of the heaven and the earth and that we are not told more because it does not affect us.

Then you proceed to make other claims regarding things which supposedly happened prior to the creation of Earth, which do effect us, which is contrary to your saying we were not told 'because it does not effect us'.

The Tanager also recently claimed that the subject of demons and angels which were created prior the creation of this universe, and that he doesn't think angels and demons exist in order to explain any problem to do with Human beings.

I think Human beings created the idea of Angels and Demons. The idea of Angels and Demons prior to the Creation of the Material Universe is unnecessary because there is no logical reason for why such beings should be necessary in relation to the Material Creation, and thus it is more likely these are creations of Human imagination as a way of 'explaining' something which would attempt to support ones unsupported beliefs about our existing in this Universe.

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