Gehenna - just a rubbish tip outside Jerusalem?

[Wootah]

Many here seem to believe Gehenna is just a rubbish tip outside Jerusalem and not a reference to hell.

Pulling an argument from this video (around the 16-minute mark):

Mark 9 vs 43-49 says: And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: 44 where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. 45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: 46 where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Why does Jesus talk about entering into life and the rubbish tip outside Jerusalem in the same sentence? Do you really believe people thought hey let's follow Jesus so we don't go into the rubbish tip outside Jerusalem or do you think they knew Jesus meant hell?

Also since that rubbish tip's fire is quenched now and has been for a long time then doesn't that mean Jesus is a liar when he says that the fire there never shall be quenched?

[PinSeeker]

Death: the total and permanent cessation of all the vital functions of an animal or plant.

That's what it invariably comes down to, the misunderstanding (not on my part) of what the second death really is.

Plants, huh? So there will be no plants in the new heaven and new earth? Or... wait... only redeemed, righteous, sinless plants, right? Wow.

Grace and peace to you.

[myth-one.com]

Death: the total and permanent cessation of all the vital functions of an animal or plant.

That's what it invariably comes down to, the misunderstanding (not on my part) of what the second death really is.

Plants, huh? So there will be no plants in the new heaven and new earth? Or... wait... only redeemed, righteous, sinless plants, right? Wow.

Grace and peace to you.

The second death is the immediate total and permanent cessation of all the vital functions of a human who is cast into the lake of fire.

No innocent plants will be involved.

[PinSeeker]

The second death is the immediate total and permanent cessation of all the vital functions of a human who is cast into the lake of fire.

Nope.

No innocent plants will be involved.

But the guilty plants will?

[myth-one.com]

The second death is the immediate total and permanent cessation of all the vital functions of a human who is cast into the lake of fire.

Nope.

Wow! Powerful argument!

No innocent plants will be involved.

But the guilty plants will?

There are no guilty plants.

[JehovahsWitness]

The punishment is not "annihilation", the punishment (for the wicked) is unending non-existence. Dying or being killed is NOT the punishment; being dead for all eternity is the punishment.

For the wages of sin is death; . . .

Death: the total and permanent cessation of all the vital functions of an animal or plant.

So? So what is your point? There'is nothing I'have said that contradicts the scripture above.



JW

[myth-one.com]

The punishment is not "annihilation", the punishment (for the wicked) is unending non-existence. Dying or being killed is NOT the punishment; being dead for all eternity is the punishment.

For the wages of sin is death; . . .

Death: the total and permanent cessation of all the vital functions of an animal or plant.

So? So what is your point? There'is nothing I'have said that contradicts the scripture above.

JW

You said that "Dying or being killed is NOT the punishment."

"The wages of sin is death" contradicts that.

Why is this complicated?

The wages of sin is death, and death is everlasting.

[JehovahsWitness]

You said that "Dying or being killed is NOT the punishment."

"The wages of sin is death" contradicts that.

How so?

Why is this complicated?

It isn't; what I said quite simply does not contradict Romans 6:23. If you claim it does, prove it!

.... death is everlasting.

No, biblically death can be everlasting ... but for many it is just temporary.




JW

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #97]

The second death is the wages of sin, and is everlasting.

[PinSeeker]

There are no guilty plants.

LOL! Okay, well, happy planting. Grace and peace to both you... and... your... plants.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to Tcg in post #14]

TCG, I don't believe you commented on my post # 15. If you did, I apologize....I missed it. Could you do so again?