[Replying to tam in post #114
For sure, there have been (and are) different Jewish beliefs about death (though the text doesn't state anything about them believing or not believing that humans are spirits in bodies or just bodies).
Here we are prompted to give our account of what a "Spirit" is.
You had said you were open to begin directed to information that showed you this (rising on the last day) was more than just an 'in-house' belief. So I posted the quotes from Daniel and Isaiah. If you wanted to go a bit further even, in Acts we have the Pharisees being spoken of as those who believed in the resurrection, angels, etc (which makes sense considering Daniel and Isaiah), and the Sadducees being spoken of as those who believed in none of those things. (Acts 23)
Correct. "In House" can also refer to The Beliefs of the collective Houses of Israel as in "What Jews Believe re death"
Overall point being that it appears that there isn't conflict about the question of death now.
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The Pharisees' Judaism is what we practice today, as we can't make sacrifices at the Temple and instead we worship in synagogues. The Sadducees were the wealthy upper class, who were involved with the priesthood. They completely rejected oral law, and unlike the Pharisees, their lives revolved around the Temple.
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The Sadducees did not believe in resurrection of the dead, but believed (contrary to the claim of Josephus) in the traditional Jewish concept of Sheol for those who had died. According to the Christian Acts of the Apostles: The Sadducees did not believe in resurrection, whereas the Pharisees did.
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According to Josephus, the Sadducees believed that: There is no fate. God does not commit evil. Man has free will; "man has the free choice of good or evil".
It appears that the sadducees beliefs about death were aligned to the idea of The Spiritual aspect of afterlife experience...where the individual continues to experience being an individual conscious awareness rather than that consciousness turning to dust along with the body.
Indeed. Because as Christ said in response to Martha, HE is the Resurrection and the Life. He could raise the dead (then, and at the first and second resurrections to come), as well as heal the blind and the lame, etc.
Thus, why I say that biblical Jesus was a Mystic.
Obviously too, Jesus as a Mystic was engaging with those who took on the pharisees beliefs as their own.
Those who believe they will need to be resurrected if they want to continue their experience of being alive, require something other than themselves to have this happen for them.
Those who did not believe that is the case - who took on the sadducees beliefs about death - would naturally have no need for someone to resurrect them.
What becomes questionable is why one is toted as acceptable belief while the other is not.
Where the sadducees beliefs about death are questionable is in...
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To the Hebrew mind Sheol was simply the state or abode of the dead. ... The grave was the resting place of the body from which the spirit had departed, while Sheol was the resting place of departed spirits, or personalities. Usually Sheol was thought of 'as being deep down in the earth, as hell is often thought of today.
The priesthood tends to tamper too much in that regard by setting up conditions which are believed to be true - like the Christians priests have done re "Hell".
Not that these conditions are necessarily untrue - but perhaps because they do not represent all the possible.
More study is necessary...
What interests me about the seeming conflict of the two beliefs is that re "Jah Saves" I can understand the attached belief re those who think resurrection, as - even if the truth was that the individual immediately experiences the next phase, if that individual also believes that they won't be resurrected and placed in an undesirable situation [re sheol] then their experience will be in a desirable place [Somewhere in Heaven or on a New Earth free from evil-bullies]...whereas with the sadducees belief it is more a case of there is no savior and you just have to experience whatever your overall character-personality dictates, be that desirable or otherwise...