Christendom inconsistent beliefs #3: Christ never died?

Exploring the details of Christianity

Moderator: Moderators

Post Reply
Eloi
Guru
Posts: 1147
Joined: Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:31 pm
Has thanked: 31 times
Been thanked: 122 times

Christendom inconsistent beliefs #3: Christ never died?

Post #1

Post by Eloi »

Oddly enough, this is the belief of all of Christendom.

However, Jesus said just the opposite:

Rev. 1:17 When I saw him, I fell as dead at his feet.
And he laid his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last, 18 and the living one, and I became dead, but look! I am living forever and ever, and I have the keys of death and of the Grave.
... 2:8 “And to the angel of the congregation in Smyrʹna write: These are the things that he says, ‘the First and the Last,’ who became dead and came to life again ..."

If Jesus says that he "became dead" and "came to life again", why do theologians and religious leaders of Christendom say that he never died, and they say even that he "resurrected himself"? Isn't that a clear denial of Jesus' statements in this regard?

myth-one.com
Savant
Posts: 6076
Joined: Wed Aug 09, 2006 4:16 pm
Has thanked: 22 times
Been thanked: 58 times
Contact:

Re: Christendom inconsistent beliefs #3: Christ never died?

Post #91

Post by myth-one.com »

William wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 4:58 pm [Replying to myth-one.com in post #88]
But God is a Spirit, not just a "mind":
What is 'just a mind' that it is not a spirit? Both are immaterial.
Admittedly, I do not understand the spiritual world. The Bible states that spirits are immortal and can move as the wind. That's about it.

But there are spiritual "bodies", according to the scriptures.

God is a spirit. Satan is also a spirit. They both have immaterial "spiritual bodies."

But I don't reason from their "equality" in body type that they both have equal minds.

Both can make individual freedom of choice decisions.

But God cannot lie, while Satan can.

Their mindsets seem very different.

What affects our human minds is typically physical stimulations. Perhaps there are also non-physical stimulus, but I don't know how to prove or disprove that.

Death terminates our physical stimulations.

Definition of mind: the element of a person that enables them to be aware of the world and their experiences, to think, and to feel; the faculty of consciousness and thought.

So there is no possible need for our mind to survive our physical death as there are no longer and experiences to which we are aware of.

That is, all of our input devices no longer exist. We cannot taste, touch, feel, hunger, love, hate ... etc.

The dead know not anything. There are no longer any inputs to be experienced!

If our mind "lived on" after our death, it would be bored, bored, bored . . . . bored . . .. bored ....

We cannot understand the mind of God or other spiritual bodied beings, until we are born again of the Spirit as a spirit. We will then be members of the spiritual bodied Kingdom of God and understand the mysteries of the spiritual world.

User avatar
William
Savant
Posts: 10506
Joined: Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:11 pm
Location: Te Waipounamu
Has thanked: 496 times
Been thanked: 1134 times
Contact:

Re: Christendom inconsistent beliefs #3: Christ never died?

Post #92

Post by William »

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #91]

The thing which convinced me that I wasn't just the physical body, was having OOBEs.
Once a person experiences that, theological beliefs re religious mythology which deny such a thing is possible, naturally have to become suspect.

myth-one.com
Savant
Posts: 6076
Joined: Wed Aug 09, 2006 4:16 pm
Has thanked: 22 times
Been thanked: 58 times
Contact:

Re: Christendom inconsistent beliefs #3: Christ never died?

Post #93

Post by myth-one.com »

William wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:14 pm [Replying to myth-one.com in post #91]

The thing which convinced me that I wasn't just the physical body, was having OOBEs.
Once a person experiences that, theological beliefs re religious mythology which deny such a thing is possible, naturally have to become suspect.
Did these OOBEs (out of body experiences) occur while you were asleep, unconscious, or under the influence of some chemical or drug?

User avatar
William
Savant
Posts: 10506
Joined: Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:11 pm
Location: Te Waipounamu
Has thanked: 496 times
Been thanked: 1134 times
Contact:

Re: Christendom inconsistent beliefs #3: Christ never died?

Post #94

Post by William »

myth-one.com wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:30 pm
William wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:14 pm [Replying to myth-one.com in post #91]

The thing which convinced me that I wasn't just the physical body, was having OOBEs.
Once a person experiences that, theological beliefs re religious mythology which deny such a thing is possible, naturally have to become suspect.
Did these OOBEs (out of body experiences) occur while you were asleep, unconscious, or under the influence of some chemical or drug?
Why do you ask?

myth-one.com
Savant
Posts: 6076
Joined: Wed Aug 09, 2006 4:16 pm
Has thanked: 22 times
Been thanked: 58 times
Contact:

Re: Christendom inconsistent beliefs #3: Christ never died?

Post #95

Post by myth-one.com »

William wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 8:09 pm
myth-one.com wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:30 pm
William wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:14 pm [Replying to myth-one.com in post #91]

The thing which convinced me that I wasn't just the physical body, was having OOBEs.
Once a person experiences that, theological beliefs re religious mythology which deny such a thing is possible, naturally have to become suspect.
Did these OOBEs (out of body experiences) occur while you were asleep, unconscious, or under the influence of some chemical or drug?
Why do you ask?
If you were not in one of those states, what would your body be doing without "you" being in it?

It could fall or collapse and hurt itself without your mental control being available.

But if you were in one of those states, then that state could explain the out of body experiences.

User avatar
William
Savant
Posts: 10506
Joined: Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:11 pm
Location: Te Waipounamu
Has thanked: 496 times
Been thanked: 1134 times
Contact:

Re: Christendom inconsistent beliefs #3: Christ never died?

Post #96

Post by William »

myth-one.com wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 8:48 pm
William wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 8:09 pm
myth-one.com wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:30 pm
William wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:14 pm [Replying to myth-one.com in post #91]

The thing which convinced me that I wasn't just the physical body, was having OOBEs.
Once a person experiences that, theological beliefs re religious mythology which deny such a thing is possible, naturally have to become suspect.
Did these OOBEs (out of body experiences) occur while you were asleep, unconscious, or under the influence of some chemical or drug?
Do you have any evidence to support these assertions?
Why do you ask?
If you were not in one of those states, what would your body be doing without "you" being in it?

It could fall or collapse and hurt itself without your mental control being available.

But if you were in one of those states, then that state could explain the out of body experiences.

User avatar
onewithhim
Savant
Posts: 7443
Joined: Sat Oct 31, 2015 7:56 pm
Location: Norwich, CT
Has thanked: 633 times
Been thanked: 148 times

Re: Christendom inconsistent beliefs #3: Christ never died?

Post #97

Post by onewithhim »

myth-one.com wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 8:48 pm
William wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 8:09 pm
myth-one.com wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:30 pm
William wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:14 pm [Replying to myth-one.com in post #91]

The thing which convinced me that I wasn't just the physical body, was having OOBEs.
Once a person experiences that, theological beliefs re religious mythology which deny such a thing is possible, naturally have to become suspect.
Did these OOBEs (out of body experiences) occur while you were asleep, unconscious, or under the influence of some chemical or drug?
Why do you ask?
If you were not in one of those states, what would your body be doing without "you" being in it?

It could fall or collapse and hurt itself without your mental control being available.

But if you were in one of those states, then that state could explain the out of body experiences.
I believe that the people who have these so-called OOBEs are indeed either under the influence of some drug, or are having a heck of a dream.

.

Post Reply