Christendom inconsistent beliefs #3: Christ never died?

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Christendom inconsistent beliefs #3: Christ never died?

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Oddly enough, this is the belief of all of Christendom.

However, Jesus said just the opposite:

Rev. 1:17 When I saw him, I fell as dead at his feet.
And he laid his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last, 18 and the living one, and I became dead, but look! I am living forever and ever, and I have the keys of death and of the Grave.
... 2:8 “And to the angel of the congregation in Smyrʹna write: These are the things that he says, ‘the First and the Last,’ who became dead and came to life again ..."

If Jesus says that he "became dead" and "came to life again", why do theologians and religious leaders of Christendom say that he never died, and they say even that he "resurrected himself"? Isn't that a clear denial of Jesus' statements in this regard?

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Re: Christendom inconsistent beliefs #3: Christ never died?

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[Replying to myth-one.com in post #79]
The important thing for both of you to understand is that those beliefs are not supported in the scriptures.
That depends upon how one interprets the scriptures anyway. But I find the scriptures themselves lack the substance of the living - the scriptures are not living things.

Indeed, given enough time, the scriptures would naturally rot away and become dust, and the advent of the printing press does not change that fact - one can pump as many volumes of inked words written on slices of tree-flesh, bound in the skin of dead beasts, into the world, and all of them will eventually end up as landfill.

Whereas The Word of the MBC is alive and active and everlasting.

So one is wise to take care in not replacing the one with the other, and to trust nothing which has gone through the hands of man, without first putting it through numerous testing.

That is the way of The Spirit.

RQ: And if I choose to see myself as Spirit, what is that to you, that you make and effort to tell me it ain't so, because your own interpretation of scripture "tells" you so.

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Re: Christendom inconsistent beliefs #3: Christ never died?

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William wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:41 pm [Replying to myth-one.com in post #79]

Myth-one.com wrote:
The important thing for both of you to understand is that those beliefs are not supported in the scriptures.


That depends upon how one interprets the scriptures anyway.


No it doesn't!

I don't "interpret" the scriptures.

You do.

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[Replying to myth-one.com in post #82]
I don't "interpret" the scriptures.
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William wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 10:32 am [Replying to We_Are_VENOM in post #76]
We_Are_VENOM wrote:My thing is; a spirit is an unembodied mind, which is our immaterial selves (the essence of who/what we really are).
I agree. And every Spirit is an Image of The Spirit - The Mind Behind Creation.
We_Are_VENOM wrote:And my point is, this immaterial self is independent of the body and will continue to exist after death.
Agreed.
But not necessarily independent of the soul - that which contains the information pertaining to the Characteristics/Personality which was formed through the interaction of the immaterial with the material.
<=========================================>

Your beliefs as claimed above are in conflict with the following Bible verses:
I Corinthians 15:44 wrote:There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
John 3:6 wrote:That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
I Corinthians 15:46 wrote:Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
I Corinthians 15:44 wrote:It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body...
<=========================================>

So I'll have to side with the scriptures as inspired by God, and reject your contradictory claims as inspired by . . . whomever that is in your cute little photo.

No hard feelings.

Hope you understand.


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So I'll have to side with the scriptures as inspired by God, and reject your contradictory claims as inspired by . . . whomever that is in your cute little photo.
I Am inspired by the MBC [aka "God"]. I don't 'take sides' as I don't see there really are sides - although I acknowledge that those who do take sides, do so because of the way they interpret 'things' to say that they 'should be taking sides'.

I have no 'hard feelings'.

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William wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 4:00 pm [Replying to myth-one.com in post #84]
So I'll have to side with the scriptures as inspired by God, and reject your contradictory claims as inspired by . . . whomever that is in your cute little photo.
I Am inspired by the MBC [aka "God"]. I don't 'take sides' as I don't see there really are sides - although I acknowledge that those who do take sides, do so because of the way they interpret 'things' to say that they 'should be taking sides'.

I have no 'hard feelings'.
What does Minimum Bactericidal Concentration have to do with this debate?

Thanks in advance --- LSMFT!

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[Replying to myth-one.com in post #86]

My bad. I have been using MBC for a while now, so made the mistake of assuming you were among the readers who knew this.

MBC is shorthand for the Mind Behind Creation. [aka "God" The Father "First Source" et al]

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William wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 4:12 pm [Replying to myth-one.com in post #86]

My bad. I have been using MBC for a while now, so made the mistake of assuming you were among the readers who knew this.

MBC is shorthand for the Mind Behind Creation. [aka "God" The Father "First Source" et al]
But God is a Spirit, not just a "mind":
John 4:24 wrote:God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

I'm not sure it's a good idea for any human to define their own name or acronym for God.

If I curse MBC, am I sinning? Can I take the name of MBC in vain?

Perhaps there are some benefits. :D

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But God is a Spirit, not just a "mind":
What is 'just a mind' that it is not a spirit? Both are immaterial.

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William wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:56 pm [Replying to myth-one.com in post #82]
I don't "interpret" the scriptures.
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