Christendom inconsistent beliefs #4: Christ, flesh and bones in heaven?

[Eloi]

Paul said:

1 Cor. 15:50 But I tell you this, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s Kingdom, nor does corruption inherit incorruption.

Jesus is in God's kingdom right now. That region is described in this passage of the Bible:

Heb. 12:18 For you have not approached something that can be felt and that has been set aflame with fire, and a dark cloud and thick darkness and a storm, 19 and the blast of a trumpet and the voice speaking words, which on hearing, the people begged that nothing further should be spoken to them. 20 For they could not bear the command: “If even a beast touches the mountain, it must be stoned.” 21 Also, the display was so terrifying that Moses said: “I am afraid and trembling.” 22 But you have approached a Mount Zion and a city of the living God, heavenly Jerusalem, and myriads of angels 23 in general assembly, and the congregation of the firstborn who have been enrolled in the heavens, and God the Judge of all, and the spiritual lives of righteous ones who have been made perfect, 24 and Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and the sprinkled blood, which speaks in a better way than Abel’s blood.

It is a region where only spirit beings can live, not physical beings of flesh and bones. It is obvious, since beings of flesh and bones are directly connected with physical needs that can only be satisfied in the physical environment where we were placed when we were created. There are at least five passages in the Scriptures which teach us that Jesus is in a spirit body right now in heaven:

1 Tim. 3:16 Indeed, the sacred secret of this godly devotion is admittedly great: ‘He was made manifest in flesh, was declared righteous in spirit, appeared to angels, was preached about among nations, was believed upon in the world, was received up in glory.’

Heb. 9:14 how much more will the blood of the Christ, who through an everlasting spirit offered himself without blemish to God, cleanse our consciences from dead works so that we may render sacred service to the living God?

1 Cor. 15:44 It is sown a physical body; it is raised up a spiritual body. If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual one. 45 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living person.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46 However, what is spiritual is not first. What is physical is first, and afterward what is spiritual. 47 The first man is from the earth and made of dust; the second man is from heaven. 48 Like the one made of dust, so too are those made of dust; and like the heavenly one, so too are those who are heavenly. 49 And just as we have borne the image of the one made of dust, we will bear also the image of the heavenly one.

2 Cor. 5:16 So from now on we know no man from a fleshly viewpoint. Even if we once knew Christ according to the flesh, we certainly no longer know him in that way.

1 Pet. 3:18 For Christ died once for all time for sins, a righteous person for unrighteous ones, in order to lead you to God. He was put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit ...

Why do theologians and religious leaders of Christendom continue to falsely teach their apprentices that Jesus lives in heaven with a body of flesh and bones? ... maybe a two meters tall body? Has his body gases inside? Does it need liquid like humans on earth to maintain his internal physical composition?

[Tcg]

as 1st Corinthians 15:50 says - flesh and blood cannot enter into heaven.

No, it doesn't. 1 Corinthians 15:50 states:

I tell you this, brothers: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

The problem of course is interpreting what the "kingdom of God" refers to.


Tcg

[myth-one.com]

as 1st Corinthians 15:50 says - flesh and blood cannot enter into heaven.

No, it doesn't. 1 Corinthians 15:50 states:

I tell you this, brothers: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

The problem of course is interpreting what the "kingdom of God" refers to.

Tcg

9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

Our Father is in heaven.

We are to pray for our Father's kingdom to come to the earth. So the Kingdom of God is not here now.

Flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God.

So it makes sense that the Kingdom of God is not here, and that mankind must change before we can inherit that kingdom.

[nobspeople]

Paul said:

1 Cor. 15:50 But I tell you this, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s Kingdom, nor does corruption inherit incorruption.

Jesus is in God's kingdom right now. That region is described in this passage of the Bible:

Heb. 12:18 For you have not approached something that can be felt and that has been set aflame with fire, and a dark cloud and thick darkness and a storm, 19 and the blast of a trumpet and the voice speaking words, which on hearing, the people begged that nothing further should be spoken to them. 20 For they could not bear the command: “If even a beast touches the mountain, it must be stoned.” 21 Also, the display was so terrifying that Moses said: “I am afraid and trembling.” 22 But you have approached a Mount Zion and a city of the living God, heavenly Jerusalem, and myriads of angels 23 in general assembly, and the congregation of the firstborn who have been enrolled in the heavens, and God the Judge of all, and the spiritual lives of righteous ones who have been made perfect, 24 and Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and the sprinkled blood, which speaks in a better way than Abel’s blood.

It is a region where only spirit beings can live, not physical beings of flesh and bones. It is obvious, since beings of flesh and bones are directly connected with physical needs that can only be satisfied in the physical environment where we were placed when we were created. There are at least five passages in the Scriptures which teach us that Jesus is in a spirit body right now in heaven:

1 Tim. 3:16 Indeed, the sacred secret of this godly devotion is admittedly great: ‘He was made manifest in flesh, was declared righteous in spirit, appeared to angels, was preached about among nations, was believed upon in the world, was received up in glory.’

Heb. 9:14 how much more will the blood of the Christ, who through an everlasting spirit offered himself without blemish to God, cleanse our consciences from dead works so that we may render sacred service to the living God?

1 Cor. 15:44 It is sown a physical body; it is raised up a spiritual body. If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual one. 45 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living person.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46 However, what is spiritual is not first. What is physical is first, and afterward what is spiritual. 47 The first man is from the earth and made of dust; the second man is from heaven. 48 Like the one made of dust, so too are those made of dust; and like the heavenly one, so too are those who are heavenly. 49 And just as we have borne the image of the one made of dust, we will bear also the image of the heavenly one.

2 Cor. 5:16 So from now on we know no man from a fleshly viewpoint. Even if we once knew Christ according to the flesh, we certainly no longer know him in that way.

1 Pet. 3:18 For Christ died once for all time for sins, a righteous person for unrighteous ones, in order to lead you to God. He was put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit ...

Why do theologians and religious leaders of Christendom continue to falsely teach their apprentices that Jesus lives in heaven with a body of flesh and bones? ... maybe a two meters tall body? Has his body gases inside? Does it need liquid like humans on earth to maintain his internal physical composition?

Maybe it happens, but I've never seen or heard anyone in a leadership role within a church make such claims. Sounds kinda' weird to me

[Tcg]

as 1st Corinthians 15:50 says - flesh and blood cannot enter into heaven.

No, it doesn't. 1 Corinthians 15:50 states:

I tell you this, brothers: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

The problem of course is interpreting what the "kingdom of God" refers to.

Tcg

9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

Our Father is in heaven.

We are to pray for our Father's kingdom to come to the earth. So the Kingdom of God is not here now.

Flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God.

So it makes sense that the Kingdom of God is not here, and that mankind must change before we can inherit that kingdom.

Not according to Jesus:

Mt. 12:28 But if it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.

Jesus was speaking to folks on earth and of events on earth. He claimed that the kingdom of God had come upon those he was speaking to on earth.


Tcg

[2timothy316]

as 1st Corinthians 15:50 says - flesh and blood cannot enter into heaven.

No, it doesn't. 1 Corinthians 15:50 states:

I tell you this, brothers: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

The problem of course is interpreting what the "kingdom of God" refers to.


Tcg

A kingdom has basically two things. A king or even kings and subjects.

Ownership doesn't belong to the subjects, it belongs to the ruler/s of the kingdom.

There is a centralized place where the kings rule from. Mt 3:2 places that as being in the heavens. Thus flesh or creatures of the physical universe can't live in a spiritual place. Thus why we have 1cor 6:9.

Who will be the rulers? Rev 14:1-3 says these will come from the Earth but there will be one, the Lamb. Jesus Christ, that will not be part of those bought from Earth.
What/Who will they rule? Rev 21:1-4 says both Heaven and Earth. Both angels and mankind will be subjects.

So the kingdom of God covers all creation. However, not all are rulers. Only those that 'inherit' God's Kingdom will be rulers. What about mankind? Ps 37:29 says they will inherit not the kingdom of God but the Earth and live forever upon it.

[onewithhim]

as 1st Corinthians 15:50 says - flesh and blood cannot enter into heaven. No, I do not believe earthly flesh and blood or bones are in heaven or can enter. As long as Jesus was on Earth he maintained his earthly body _ once he ascended he took on his true form.
When it is written we will see him decend as we seen him ascend, that speaking specifically of ascending and descending not how he looks or what his body consists of.
1st John 3:2 tells us we will be as he is - we will see him as he truly is when he returns.

I agree with you that Christ wouldn't have a flesh and blood or bones body now that he is in heaven. When he comes back why would he take on a visible body? We will see him with the eyes of FAITH.....and the nations will see him with "eyes of UNDERSTANDING." When Jesus was caught up to heaven, the angels said that we would see him as he went up, when he returns. When he was ascending, you might notice in the verses at Acts 1:9,11, "a cloud caught him up from their sight." That means we will not see him physically when he returns. When he went up he was OBSCURED from their sight. We will certainly see the EFFECTS of his return, and "all the nations will have to know that God is Jehovah," and Jesus will see to that. (See Ezekiel 20:38,42,44.)

If we all are going to be spirit persons, as you apparently believe, what do the scriptures mean that say that the righteous will inherit the earth and live on it forever?

"The righteous will possess the earth and they will live forever on it." (Psalm 37:29)

The earth was made for physical human beings.

[myth-one.com]

If we all are going to be spirit persons, as you apparently believe, what do the scriptures mean that say that the righteous will inherit the earth and live on it forever?

"The righteous will possess the earth and they will live forever on it." (Psalm 37:29)

The earth was made for physical human beings.

Scriptures stating that the righteous will inherit the earth and live on it forever, prove that those righteous referred to are not humans -- as humans do not live forever.

[2timothy316]

If we all are going to be spirit persons, as you apparently believe, what do the scriptures mean that say that the righteous will inherit the earth and live on it forever?

"The righteous will possess the earth and they will live forever on it." (Psalm 37:29)

The earth was made for physical human beings.

Scriptures stating that the righteous will inherit the earth and live on it forever, prove that those righteous referred to are not humans -- as humans do not live forever.

Um
"The heavens are Jehovah’s heavens, but the earth he has given to mankind." Ps 115:16
So who is right?

"And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more." Rev 21:4
Where do people die? On earth or in heaven?

[2ndpillar2]

as 1st Corinthians 15:50 says - flesh and blood cannot enter into heaven.

No, it doesn't. 1 Corinthians 15:50 states:

I tell you this, brothers: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

The problem of course is interpreting what the "kingdom of God" refers to.

Tcg

9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

Our Father is in heaven.

We are to pray for our Father's kingdom to come to the earth. So the Kingdom of God is not here now.

Flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God.

So it makes sense that the Kingdom of God is not here, and that mankind must change before we can inherit that kingdom.

Not according to Jesus:

Mt. 12:28 But if it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.

Jesus was speaking to folks on earth and of events on earth. He claimed that the kingdom of God had come upon those he was speaking to on earth.


Tcg

There is the spiritual kingdom of heaven, which is power and spirit, which was shown by the dead rising, and the sick being healed. And there is the kingdom of God, which is the physical kingdom on earth, whereas My servant David will be king/shepherd from Jerusalem, over the combined tribes of Judah and Ephraim/Israel (Ezekiel 37) and rule the nations with a rod of iron (Revelation 19). That has not yet happened. Apparently, your religious indoctrination was lacking because they had no understanding. The spiritual kingdom was explained by James 3:16 with respect to the righteous, which you will be hard pressed to find any but the wicked, the lawless, the "many" of Matthew 7:13. Right now, Pelosi is on a snipe hunt to find why there is lawlessness, whereas she and her Progressive Marxist compatriots are the core standard of lawlessness. As for the corresponding hell, why the Progressives are living in their own hell on earth. Apparently, it is accompanied by having false teeth, which may or may not be well fitted, and is described by the term, the walking dead. Fortunately, the walking dead (zombies) with bad teeth, probably cannot eat your brains, but they can probably kill your children.

[myth-one.com]

Mt. 12:28 But if it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.

Jesus was speaking to folks on earth and of events on earth. He claimed that the kingdom of God had come upon those he was speaking to on earth.

Jesus was likewise speaking to folks on the earth when He commanded us to pray as follows:

9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

Perhaps there are a few exceptions, but in general the earth is not presently part of the kingdom of God.

In fact, under the rule of man, the earth is rapidly being destroyed as a livable habitat for fleshy beings.

Over two thousand years ago, it was prophesied that man's rule would result in this conclusion:

For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. (Matthew 24:21-22)

That would not happen if God's will was being done on the earth.