onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 1:46 pm
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Replying to 2ndpillar2 in post #42]
Indeed, everything will be made new......new governmental arrangement, and a new society of people, people who are righteously inclined and will support Jehovah as the rightful Sovereign of the universe. That is what a "new heaven and a new earth" means. This will, as you say, be completed after the Millennial reign of Christ when there will be no more death.
New heavens = new government (under Christ Jesus)
New earth = new society of righteous people
Concerning the actual planet => "He has established the earth on its foundations; It will not be moved from its place forever and ever." (Psalm 104:5)
"He made his sanctuary as enduring as the heavens, Like the earth that he has established forever." (Psalm 78:69)
"The earth remains forever." (Ecclesiastes 1:4)
"The meek will possess the earth, and they will find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace....The righteous will possess the earth, and they will live forever on it." (Psalm 37:11,29)
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The "LORD"/YHWY, the Lord God, will dwell within Israel, with "My servant David" as their king. (Ezekiel 37:24-28) with respect to the millennium, and as far as the post millennium status, there will be changes, as "I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea" (Revelation 21:1), and "the city (Jerusalem) has no need of the sun or of the moon to shine upon it, for the glory of God has illumined it, and its lamp is the Lamb." (Revelation 21:23). The millennium has David as their king/leader (Ezekiel 37:24 & Revelation 20:4 & Ezekiel 34:24), and it is not a new "heaven", and the righteous will rule with "Christ" (Revelation 20:4), and it will not be a new earth, for death will still remain a part of life, until after the millennium ends.
I'm not sure what all it is that you are differing with me about, but YHWH, Jehovah, will always be "with" his people, just as he has been in the past, even thousands of years ago (Isaiah 30:20,21; Jeremiah 14:9; Psalm 78:60; I Corinthians 14:25). Obviously he doesn't need to be literally on the planet to be "with" or "among" his people.
"My Servant David" actually refers to Jesus Christ, who takes the throne that David once occupied when David was representing Jehovah on the throne in Jerusalem. (Luke 1:32,33) Now it is Jesus who represents Jehovah on the throne which is now in heaven, associated with "the New Jerusalem." (Galatians 4:26; Revelation 3:12)
The "new earth" is made up of righteous humans who will love their God and Creator and his Son. It does not wholly depend on no further death for the planet to have a new society of people. The planet will become a paradise soon after the beginning of Christ's Millennial Reign, and those that rebel will see their fate at the end of the thousand years. Death will not "remain a part of life" during those thousand years. Only after, and briefly
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People in the millennium, other than those already risen from the dead, will all die.
Where do you get that idea from? Many wicked people will die at Armageddon, and then the rest of mankind will go on into the Millennial Reign. Those that were wicked will already have been destroyed. We have no reason to believe that Jesus will not immediately put into practice all of his merciful and advantageous-to-mankind's powers so that we can all start our way back to the perfection that humans had when God first created Adam. Returning to "flesh fresher than in youth" (Job 33:25) will be something we will see very soon after the beginning of Jesus' reign. No one need die, with the possible exception of someone who is resurrected from the dead and, after learning the truth about God, rejects it. The Millennium will be a wonderful time of life and happiness and joy.
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The "wicked", "those who commit lawlessness", are "cast into the furnace of fire", which would be the "great tribulation",
The wicked are destroyed at Armageddon, as I explained previously. Then there is a period of a thousand years before the Devil and those who side with him are destroyed. (Revelation 20:7) The Great Tribulation is a period of undetermined length which happens before Armageddon, Armageddon being the culmination of God's battle with the wicked and the destruction of wicked people from this system of things. It is after the thousand years that the Devil and his supporters are symbolically cast into the lake of fire---complete obliteration.
We are waiting for the Great Tribulation to begin, when the nations are saying that we have "peace and security." (I Thessalonians 5:3) You see, from that scripture alone we can see that Armageddon comes after the Great Tribulation. Examine Matthew 24 and you will be able to see the signs of when the Great Tribulation will start, and it's before the destruction of the wicked of this world we live in now. Please check out Bible facts on
www.jw.org.
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We are now in what is called the "tribulation" (Matthew 24:4-14), when "false prophets will arise", along with famines, etc., in which many will die, which precedes the "great tribulation" (Matthew 24:14-29), which happens after the "kingdom" has been preached "for a witness to all nations", and "immediately" before the "stars fall from the sky" and the "sign of the son of man will appear in the sky" (Matthew 24:29-30) . "Armageddon"/Har-Magedon, is when the nations will be gathered together, and you have a "great earthquake", "every island fled away", the mountains were not found", "huge hailstones.. came down from heaven upon men", and the "cities of the nations fell" (Revelation 16:16-21). This will affect all men, and if the time was not shortened, no man would survive, but for the "elect" it was shortened. (Matthew 24:22) This would parallel Daniel 2:45, when the nations, from the head of gold, to the feet of iron and clay, will be crushed, and parallels Joel 3:1-2, whereas all the nations will "enter into judgment" in the valley of judgment (Jehoshaphat). While the nations/Gentiles will be "crushed", apparently they will have survivors, who will confess that "our fathers taught us lies" (Jeremiah 16:19).
As for the "devil/Satan/the dragon, etc., he will be tossed into the pit/abyss for 1000 years by an "angel coming down from heaven" (Revelation 20:1-4), at the beginning of the millennium, to be released for a "short time" after the millennium.
As for "peace and security", the politicians say you have to buy it, while they say mayhem is actually peaceful protest, leading to "peace and security", and yet many people believe them. It is best they repent now, and produce good fruit, or be cut off and thrown into the "fire" (Matthew 3:10). The "Word of God", would be from the Spirit of God. It is best one does not "reject" the "Word of God"/Spirit of Go, in favor of the word of the false prophets and their minions.
I agree with everything you said there. You seem to be a bit confused as to what to believe. Are you just copying things from various sources? I notice that your other posts are inconsistent with this latest one.
Well, someone is surely confused/deceived (Revelation 13:14), and follows false prophets and their minions, along with the beast and the dragon which gives them support (Revelation 13:4 & 17:3). And the nations are not saying we have peace and security, it is the daughters of Babylon, which spread the falsehood that they are all saved and looking forward to a good life, whereas in truth, they are looking at drinking from the cup of the His anger (Revelation 14:10) because they in fact have the mark of the beast. The nations are saying that we are in turmoil, and you will have to join a one world government, and pay them for that honor, in order to achieve peace and security. It might help to straighten up things in your mind if you define wickedness, which according to Matthew 13, is equated to "those who commit lawlessness" (Matthew 13:41 & 49), which would be the followers of the false gospel of grace/cross, in which the "law" is nailed to the cross, and lawlessness prevails. It is those that reject the Spirit of God and his message, the Law and the prophets, in order to hang onto the false gospel of grace/lawlessness. For that sin, of rejecting the Spirit of God, I heard that there is a major problem. As for what I quote, I put it in parenthesis, and generally give the source. There is no inconsistency. Everyone will go through the great tribulation, and 144,000 sealed would be "of every tribe of the sons of Israel", which would preclude any Gentile JWs. And they would only be sealed from the "locusts" of Revelation 9:3, and apparently, no lie would be found on their tongues (Revelation 14:1-5). And for the next 1000 years, people would be born and die, except for those who died for the "testimony of Yeshua", and who did not receive the mark of the beast (Revelation 20:4), and the rest of dead did not come to life until the 1000 years was completed (Revelation 20:5). The head is the dragon (Revelation 13:4), the emperor/kings/leaders, such as the Roman emperors, are the political power base, and the supported, would be the Babylon the Great, the mother of whores, which would be according to Martin Luther, and his fellow revisionist, the Roman Catholic church, whose base is the false prophet Paul, and the "worthless shepherd" (Zechariah 11:17) Peter. Apparently, no one escapes death (Jeremiah 31:30), and specifically, those with the mark of the beast, will drink from the cup of God's wrath. As for what one can do, well Isaiah 26:20, tells you to go inside your room, and shut your door until the wrath of God has passed. What I say, is it better stout room, with a stout door, until the wrath has passed.
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