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If Christianity is so important to the world, there is no information given to us by any of the writers of the Christian Gospels which would add to their personal witness regarding the effects of living as Jesus had commanded them to live or the things promised them they would achieve, re their connection with The Father.
There are no known records of such writings in existence.


OPQFD: Why did those who wrote the Gospels not write about their own experiences of their lives, in their lifetimes?

The only thing we have is the history of Christianity, which in itself is not so much an account of connection with The Father, but rather of worshiping an image of The Son.

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My suspicion is that nothing of relative significance ever happened. At least nothing memorable enough to waste paper and ink on. But if there was, nobody found it worth saving.


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Miles wrote: Mon Nov 15, 2021 7:02 pm

My suspicion is that nothing of relative significance ever happened. At least nothing memorable enough to waste paper and ink on. But if there was, nobody found it worth saving.
If that were the case then, it appears that as far as following biblical Jesus went - 'nothing significant happened/happens' but as the evidence supports, by following the Church many significant things happened.

I find it a little hard to imagine that after all that had happened to the Apostles when BJ was around [and shortly after his alleged resurrection and ascension] that we are informed about this by the Church priests, [re the bible aka 'gods word'], that nothing more of any significance happened to them...they faded and the Church rose to do what it did to the world.

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William wrote: Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:56 pm
Miles wrote: Mon Nov 15, 2021 7:02 pm

My suspicion is that nothing of relative significance ever happened. At least nothing memorable enough to waste paper and ink on. But if there was, nobody found it worth saving.
If that were the case then, it appears that as far as following biblical Jesus went - 'nothing significant happened/happens' but as the evidence supports, by following the Church many significant things happened.

In as much as scholars say no one knows who wrote the gospels---the four names were only attached to as a convenience---and that they were not eyewitness accounts, I fail to see why their personal experiences would necessarily be significant.

'Beginning around 70 A.D., about four decades after Jesus’s crucifixion (according to the Bible), four anonymously written chronicles of his life emerged that would become central documents in the Christian faith. Named for Jesus’s most devoted earthly disciples, or apostles—Matthew, Mark, Luke and John—the four canonical Gospels were traditionally thought to be eyewitness accounts of Jesus’s life, death and resurrection. But for more than a century, scholars have generally agreed that the Gospels, like many of the books of the New Testament, were not actually written by the people to whom they are attributed. In fact, it seems clear that the stories that form the basis of Christianity were first communicated orally, and passed down from generation to generation, before they were collected and written down.

“Names are attached to the titles of the Gospels (‘the Gospel according to Matthew’),” writes Bible scholar Bart Ehrman in his book Jesus, Interrupted. “But these titles are later additions to the Gospels, provided by editors and scribes to inform readers who the editors thought were the authorities behind the different versions.”

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[Replying to Miles in post #4]

Yes - that would explain the otherwise missing articles...Rome took over something which was spreading in popularity and apparently couldn't be contained through murdering...so they concocted a story which included some of the more interesting word of mouth stuff, and therein, shaped the story to make Rome the preferred instrument of "God-through-Jesus" than the troublesome Jewish folk, whom God had obviously abandoned in favor of the Romans.

The rest - as they say - is history... [according to the victors.]

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William wrote: Mon Nov 15, 2021 6:27 pm ...
OPQFD: Why did those who wrote the Gospels not write about their own experiences of their lives, in their lifetimes?
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Difficult to know, possible reasons can be:
1. They thought it is not important when the goal is that people are disciple so Jesus, not disciples of them.
2. Many of them were persecuted and killed. That means, probably everything about them was also tried to be destroyed, which means, the writings can be too well hidden, or destroyed.

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[Replying to 1213 in post #6]
Difficult to know, possible reasons can be:
1. They thought it is not important when the goal is that people are disciple of Jesus, not disciples of them.
2. Many of them were persecuted and killed. That means, probably everything about them was also tried to be destroyed, which means, the writings can be too well hidden, or destroyed.
The [1] idea of reporting their own witness - especially their experience in their maturity - as a means of further encouraging folk to go where biblical Jesus [BJ] pointed, would not amount to following them rather than BJ.

The [2] idea only adds further suspicion to the story of BJ being a fiction created by the newly formed Priesthood of Christianity through Rome.
Why would Rome preserve the immature writing of said disciples and destroy not only those who wrote that, but anything else they wrote as well?

Who tells us that "Many of them were persecuted and killed."? And who do they say murdered them?

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William wrote: Mon Nov 15, 2021 6:27 pm
OPQFD: Why did those who wrote the Gospels not write about their own experiences of their lives, in their lifetimes?
"This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ." John 17:3

Coming to know John, Matthew or any other person who wrote the Gospels isn't what leads to life. The Very meaning of the word "Gospel" means Good News. Its not about the Good News about Matthew, John, Luke or Mark's lives.

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2timothy316 wrote: Tue Nov 16, 2021 3:02 pm
William wrote: Mon Nov 15, 2021 6:27 pm
OPQFD: Why did those who wrote the Gospels not write about their own experiences of their lives, in their lifetimes?
"This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ." John 17:3

Coming to know John, Matthew or any other person who wrote the Gospels isn't what leads to life. The Very meaning of the word "Gospel" means Good News. Its not about the Good News about Matthew, John, Luke or Mark's lives.
Nor is that my argument.

My argument has to do with knowledge of life.

Witness to that knowledge that life brings one.

Without that, the bible as it is, remains as it is - a non-living document.

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William wrote: Tue Nov 16, 2021 3:06 pm
2timothy316 wrote: Tue Nov 16, 2021 3:02 pm
William wrote: Mon Nov 15, 2021 6:27 pm
OPQFD: Why did those who wrote the Gospels not write about their own experiences of their lives, in their lifetimes?
"This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ." John 17:3

Coming to know John, Matthew or any other person who wrote the Gospels isn't what leads to life. The Very meaning of the word "Gospel" means Good News. Its not about the Good News about Matthew, John, Luke or Mark's lives.
Nor is that my argument.

My argument has to do with knowledge of life.
Yes. I know. The Bible's message is what it is. Not what you think it should or want it to be.
Witness to that knowledge that life brings one.

Without that, the bible as it is, remains as it is - a non-living document.
You're opinion is noted.

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