What did Christs sacrifice mean?

[Confused]

A doctor I work with recently told me that by refusing to acknowledge Christ as my lord and savior, I have condemned not only myself, but my children as well. He said this in the context that since my son has autism, he won't get better without help from christ and that medicine can only go so far. Funny to hear this from a neurosurgeon. My question is simple:

Did Christs crucifixion forgive mans sins? If so, does this not imply that the sins of the father will no longer be visited upon the son? There is no clear passage of this in the NT that I can find so I am fishing for opinions and obscure passages that either support this or oppose this.

[topaz]

A doctor I work with recently told me that by refusing to acknowledge Christ as my lord and savior, I have condemned not only myself, but my children as well. He said this in the context that since my son has autism, he won't get better without help from christ and that medicine can only go so far. Funny to hear this from a neurosurgeon.

As a parent, everything we do affects not just us but our spouse and our children. Sometimes, even our siblings, our family name, etc.

One of the basic duties of parents is to educate their children … secular and spiritual. Spiritual education guides a child for the rest of his life. Parents who do not accept Christ lack such knowledge and therefore, do not benefit their children in this most important aspect of living in this fallen world.

De 6:7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.

My question is simple:

Did Christs crucifixion forgive mans sins? If so, does this not imply that the sins of the father will no longer be visited upon the son? There is no clear passage of this in the NT that I can find so I am fishing for opinions and obscure passages that either support this or oppose this.

Forgiven of sins … what does this mean. In Mr 2:10 below, it means to ‘let go’

Mr 2:10 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,)

In healing the sick, we see that forgiveness is followed by the sick getting completely healed miraculously.

Ezekiel chap. 18 enunciates the teaching that ‘the sins of the father will no longer be visited upon the son’. In deliverance ministry, the teaching of ancestor curse is unbliblical according to Eze 18.

Autism could be demon-possession. I was requested to pray for an autistic person. I thought it was a sickness but it turned out to be demon-possession. As I prayed for that autistic person, across the globe, whom I have never seen, it became very clear when the demons made themselves known to me. I discontinued my prayer b/c of unbelief of the party who requested my prayer.

[Confused]

A doctor I work with recently told me that by refusing to acknowledge Christ as my lord and savior, I have condemned not only myself, but my children as well. He said this in the context that since my son has autism, he won't get better without help from christ and that medicine can only go so far. Funny to hear this from a neurosurgeon.

As a parent, everything we do affects not just us but our spouse and our children. Sometimes, even our siblings, our family name, etc.

One of the basic duties of parents is to educate their children … secular and spiritual. Spiritual education guides a child for the rest of his life. Parents who do not accept Christ lack such knowledge and therefore, do not benefit their children in this most important aspect of living in this fallen world.

De 6:7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.

My question is simple:

Did Christs crucifixion forgive mans sins? If so, does this not imply that the sins of the father will no longer be visited upon the son? There is no clear passage of this in the NT that I can find so I am fishing for opinions and obscure passages that either support this or oppose this.

Forgiven of sins … what does this mean. In Mr 2:10 below, it means to ‘let go’

Mr 2:10 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,)

In healing the sick, we see that forgiveness is followed by the sick getting completely healed miraculously.

Ezekiel chap. 18 enunciates the teaching that ‘the sins of the father will no longer be visited upon the son’. In deliverance ministry, the teaching of ancestor curse is unbliblical according to Eze 18.

Autism could be demon-possession. I was requested to pray for an autistic person. I thought it was a sickness but it turned out to be demon-possession. As I prayed for that autistic person, across the globe, whom I have never seen, it became very clear when the demons made themselves known to me. I discontinued my prayer b/c of unbelief of the party who requested my prayer.

Please don't take offense to this comment, it isn't intended to be condescending, just very FORCEFUL: It would be a cold day in hell (should it exist) before I would allow any faith based religion to pray over my son again. Religion (christian/catholic) has done enough damage, i will never allow it to relate to my son again in regards to his Autism. If you had the ability to cure this child, despite the disbelief of the party who requested your prayer, then shame on you. How dare you claim you could heal an innocent child, then not because of his parents. You condemned that child. Shame, shame, shame on you.

Now, back to my post. I understand your quote that it is the parents duty to teach their child of christ etc..... But, that doesn't answer my question. Did christs death clear the slate. Or do we still pay for the sins of our father. In other words, I recently broke up with my boyfriend of 3 years. We never lived together, he had no relationship with my children, he was just someone always available for sex and escorts to functions. Now, will this sin be visited upon my child? I won't say that I haven't introduced my children to "christianity". I have, in an unbiased way. All my children are interested in it except my 7 year old son who has autism/aspergers/severe ADHD/and personality disorder NOS. He was the one hurt by this religion. So are my sins being visited upon him. Or did christs sacrifice give him a clean slate so that he must carry the burden of only the sins he commits?

[McCulloch]

Autism could be demon-possession. I was requested to pray for an autistic person. I thought it was a sickness but it turned out to be demon-possession. As I prayed for that autistic person, across the globe, whom I have never seen, it became very clear when the demons made themselves known to me. I discontinued my prayer b/c of unbelief of the party who requested my prayer.

This makes no sense to me. If your prayer could benefit the demon possessed person, why should the lack of faith in that person's parents make any difference to you or to God? Would not a positive answer to those prayers have been enough to strengthen the faith of those parents, who apparently had enough faith to request you to pray in the first place? If you believe that demons cause autism and that God can with prayer, drive away demons, then by all means, pray for my two autistic sons. My lack of faith should not be an issue. In fact, if you let me know when you intend to make this request of the omniscient God, I will let you know if it was effective. Do you have faith in the effectiveness of prayer or the power of your God? I would take the simultaneous cure from autism of my two sons coincident with your prayer to be a strong piece of evidence towards believing in God.
Or is it that you and your God really want them to continue to be the way that they are, and you and your God really do not want my conversion.

[Madeline]

Autism could be demon-possession. I was requested to pray for an autistic person. I thought it was a sickness but it turned out to be demon-possession. As I prayed for that autistic person, across the globe, whom I have never seen, it became very clear when the demons made themselves known to me. I discontinued my prayer b/c of unbelief of the party who requested my prayer.

If it turned out to be demon-possession than apparently it wasn't autism. There are certain brain patterns that are found in autistics that are uncommon in normal people, such as the areas for perception. With demon possession, there are no distinct signs of abnormal brain patterns. But some misled christians believe that those with autism are demon possessed. Simply not true!

Love,
Madeline

[topaz]

Please don't take offense to this comment, it isn't intended to be condescending, just very FORCEFUL: It would be a cold day in hell (should it exist) before I would allow any faith based religion to pray over my son again. Religion (christian/catholic) has done enough damage, i will never allow it to relate to my son again in regards to his Autism. If you had the ability to cure this child, despite the disbelief of the party who requested your prayer, then shame on you. How dare you claim you could heal an innocent child, then not because of his parents. You condemned that child. Shame, shame, shame on you.

In the first place, I am not a healer. I do not claim to have any ability to cure anyone but God does. It was out of kindness that I accede to someone’s prayer request … and he is not a child, you’re too presumptuous and judgmental.

Second, when I find the requester unable to accept my feedback, then I see no point to rock the boat further, to cause upset. The bible says all things should be done in faith. Where there is no faith, nothing happens. I made a decision based on this. You prejudge me harshly and you’re a very rude person.

Third, shame on me ? Why … b/c I didn’t do what you think I shd. I think the shame is on you for speaking this way. Aren’t you suppose to act civil around here ? Also, I didn’t offer to pray for your son. One bad experience is a lesson for life. It is better to pray for someone whom you can see, than for a stranger whose attitude projects trouble.

I mentioned demon-possession as a possible cause for autism as a sharing experience. I thought you might want to know this and explore a way to heal your son. Your attitude speaks for itself.

Have a good day.

[bernee51]

. Spiritual education guides a child for the rest of his life. Parents who do not accept Christ lack such knowledge and therefore, do not benefit their children in this most important aspect of living in this fallen world.

What a crock of ..... On what basis do you claim that the only source of 'spiritual knowledge' is your christ myth. Your very attitudes (as expressed here) and the pronouncements you make show a distinct lack of spiritual understanding. Let alone compassion.

Religosity DOES NOT EQUAL spirituality.

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Autism could be demon-possession.

Poppy cock. You obviously know nothing of autism - and even less of reality.

Where is there any evidence of demom possession outside of ficticious works of literature such as your bible and Edgar Alan Poe stories.

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.... it became very clear when the demons made themselves known to me.

Yeah right.

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I discontinued my prayer b/c of unbelief of the party who requested my prayer.

I see - it was their fault (not yours, gods or satans) that your prayer failed.

[topaz]

Hello bernee

. Spiritual education guides a child for the rest of his life. Parents who do not accept Christ lack such knowledge and therefore, do not benefit their children in this most important aspect of living in this fallen world.

What a crock of ..... On what basis do you claim that the only source of 'spiritual knowledge' is your christ myth. Your very attitudes (as expressed here) and the pronouncements you make show a distinct lack of spiritual understanding. Let alone compassion.

You don’t know God, you don’t know me. Your statements are like vapours in the air.

Religosity DOES NOT EQUAL spirituality.

It sure doesn’t.

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Autism could be demon-possession.

Poppy cock. You obviously know nothing of autism - and even less of reality.

If you believe as you do, I accept it and I accept you as you are. You’re so … umm … unique.

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.... it became very clear when the demons made themselves known to me.

Yeah right.

Yes.

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I discontinued my prayer b/c of unbelief of the party who requested my prayer.

I see - it was their fault (not yours, gods or satans) that your prayer failed.

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How could my prayer fail when I prayed ONLY ONCE and it became clear that it was demon-possession ? For the benefit of the reader, the demons were very powerful. It is a group of demons and .. they are not ordinary demons. They tried to resist me but could not. So when I informed the requester who, like you, denied that it could be demon-possession and actually got upset, I thought it best to stop praying. If you go to a doctor and you don’t believe what he tells you, then you use another doctor, right ? That is what I would do. Besides, I prayed out of kindness and concern but I didn’t expect unbelief and a hostile attitude from the requester.. Also, after this, I was shown that this ‘christian’ requester was actually demonized, too. In my u/standing, the requester believes in a ‘false Christ’. What a mess. That explains the unbelief. Don’t question my right to act the way I did, b/c it is my right. I shake the dust off my feet and move on.

Oh and bernee ..... you're most welcome to put your comments.

[bernee51]

Hi Topaz

You don’t know God, you don’t know me.

There is no god to know...only to have belief in..or not.

I only know you through your words...which is all I said.

Your statements are like vapours in the air.

Actually more like binary code in cyberspace.

If you believe as you do, I accept it and I accept you as you are. You’re so … umm … unique.

Everyone is unique...just like me.

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It is a group of demons and .. they are not ordinary demons. ... the requester believes in a ‘false Christ’. What a mess.

Demons, groups of demons, 'false' christs ..."what a mess" describes it perfectly

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Don’t question my right to act the way I did, b/c it is my right. I shake the dust off my feet and move on.

I don't question and would never presume to deny your right to do anything. What I do question is the existence of "...a group of demons and .. they are not ordinary demons. ... a ‘false Christ’."

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you're most welcome to put your comments.

And you yours.

[McCulloch]

Autism could be demon-possession.

Poppy cock. You obviously know nothing of autism - and even less of reality.

If you believe as you do, I accept it and I accept you as you are. You’re so … umm … unique.

While I admire bernee's uniqueness, I would assert that it is incorrect to indicate, as you seem to have, that bernee's view that autism is not demon-possession is itself unique. I really doubt if you could cite any credible researcher in the field of autism who would disagree with bernee on this issue.

.... it became very clear when the demons made themselves known to me. [...]
How could my prayer fail when I prayed ONLY ONCE and it became clear that it was demon-possession? For the benefit of the reader, the demons were very powerful.

More powerful than your God that you call Father?

It is a group of demons and .. they are not ordinary demons.

Excuse me, in what way are demons ever ordinary?

They tried to resist me but could not.

This is good. Since they could not resist you, why are they still there?

So when I informed the requester who, like you, denied that it could be demon-possession and actually got upset, I thought it best to stop praying.

Why? Why not, for the benefit of the allegedly demon-possessed person with autism, continue to pray for him in private? Your actions (or non-action) don't make any sense to me.

I prayed out of kindness and concern but I didn’t expect unbelief and a hostile attitude from the requester.

And this hostile attitude removed from you any kindness and concern for the demon plagued individual?? This unbelief removed from you your belief in the efficacy of prayer or the power of your God??

Also, after this, I was shown that this ‘christian’ requester was actually demonized, too. In my u/standing, the requester believes in a ‘false Christ’. What a mess. That explains the unbelief. Don’t question my right to act the way I did, b/c it is my right. I shake the dust off my feet and move on.

Sounds to me that you retreated from the battle with the demons completely defeated. Why would you not cast out the demons of the requester as well? Everything else you say seems to me to be a rationalization for your retreat and God's loss of the battle.

Go ahead, ask your Father God to remove the demons from my sons and Confused son. If you are successful, I will study at your feet and bless your Lord.