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Is Christ the Savior of All Mankind?

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Perhaps another way of asking this question is, does the mighty atonement of Jesus the Christ available to ALL of God’s children?

If not what are the exemptions if any?

Are there any that have lived in mortality that are beyond the scope of repentance?

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2ndpillar2 wrote: Fri Mar 11, 2022 2:50 pm
Abigail wrote: Thu Mar 10, 2022 8:42 pm I think if one first accepts the scripture as written regarding Jesus they'd ask, why would Emmanuel (God with us) come to rescue humanity from the plan God predestined us to enter into?

And why would one accept being saved from God and his judgement of the individual living as God predestined?
No one is "saved" from the "day of the LORD" (Joel 2:31-32). They merely "survive" the "great earthquake", convulsions of the earth, and the stars (one-hundred-pound hail stones)(multiheaded war heads from men) raining down on men (Revelation 16:18-21) & (Matthew 24:29). Man can either repent of the path they are on, or men will kill each other, and the earth will show its displeasure. The message that you "surely shall not die" (Genesis 3:4) is the message of the "serpent", and the message of his messenger, the false prophet Paul.
You're overlooking the pre-tribulation rapture verses that promise those who are in Christ will not endure God's great tribulation.

While those who do suffer through it will still be able to depend and attain salvation.
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Abigail wrote: Fri Mar 11, 2022 3:09 pm
2ndpillar2 wrote: Fri Mar 11, 2022 2:50 pm
Abigail wrote: Thu Mar 10, 2022 8:42 pm I think if one first accepts the scripture as written regarding Jesus they'd ask, why would Emmanuel (God with us) come to rescue humanity from the plan God predestined us to enter into?

And why would one accept being saved from God and his judgement of the individual living as God predestined?
No one is "saved" from the "day of the LORD" (Joel 2:31-32). They merely "survive" the "great earthquake", convulsions of the earth, and the stars (one-hundred-pound hail stones)(multiheaded war heads from men) raining down on men (Revelation 16:18-21) & (Matthew 24:29). Man can either repent of the path they are on, or men will kill each other, and the earth will show its displeasure. The message that you "surely shall not die" (Genesis 3:4) is the message of the "serpent", and the message of his messenger, the false prophet Paul.
You're overlooking the pre-tribulation rapture verses that promise those who are in Christ will not endure God's great tribulation.

While those who do suffer through it will still be able to depend and attain salvation.
That "Rapture" stuff that you have been taught is not like you envision. Someone has sold you a bill of goods, so to speak. There will be a great crowd that will go through the Great Tribulation and come out ofit. (Revelation 7:9 and 14) It says that a lot of people will come OUT OF the GT, so that must mean that they were IN it . To come out of something they would have to be IN it in the first place. So righteous people will go through the GT and come out of it into Paradise on Earth. Look up what the website jw.org has to say about the Great Tribulation. What they say is scriptural.

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onewithhim wrote: Fri Mar 11, 2022 6:03 pm
Abigail wrote: Fri Mar 11, 2022 3:09 pm
2ndpillar2 wrote: Fri Mar 11, 2022 2:50 pm
Abigail wrote: Thu Mar 10, 2022 8:42 pm I think if one first accepts the scripture as written regarding Jesus they'd ask, why would Emmanuel (God with us) come to rescue humanity from the plan God predestined us to enter into?

And why would one accept being saved from God and his judgement of the individual living as God predestined?
No one is "saved" from the "day of the LORD" (Joel 2:31-32). They merely "survive" the "great earthquake", convulsions of the earth, and the stars (one-hundred-pound hail stones)(multiheaded war heads from men) raining down on men (Revelation 16:18-21) & (Matthew 24:29). Man can either repent of the path they are on, or men will kill each other, and the earth will show its displeasure. The message that you "surely shall not die" (Genesis 3:4) is the message of the "serpent", and the message of his messenger, the false prophet Paul.
You're overlooking the pre-tribulation rapture verses that promise those who are in Christ will not endure God's great tribulation.

While those who do suffer through it will still be able to depend and attain salvation.
That "Rapture" stuff that you have been taught is not like you envision. Someone has sold you a bill of goods, so to speak. There will be a great crowd that will go through the Great Tribulation and come out ofit. (Revelation 7:9 and 14) It says that a lot of people will come OUT OF the GT, so that must mean that they were IN it . To come out of something they would have to be IN it in the first place. So righteous people will go through the GT and come out of it into Paradise on Earth. Look up what the website jw.org has to say about the Great Tribulation. What they say is scriptural.

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Not exactly true. The nations/Gentiles, those who survive, will bow down to the "king" in Jerusalem, and keep the feast of Booths (Zechariah 14:16), and confess that their "fathers", such as Paul, gave them nothing but "falsehoods" (Jeremiah 16:19). If the nations/Gentiles, don't concede to the king, then they will receive no rain, which would not be considered a "Paradise on Earth". By the way, the nations/Gentiles will be ruled by a rod of iron (Revelation 19:15), and would submit to being slaves/servants to Jacob (Isaiah 14:1-2), those not sold to the "Sabeans" (Joel 3:8) as slaves.

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Re: Is Christ the Savior of All Mankind?

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Greetings to all,

Indeed Christ is the only name under heaven whereby man may be saved.

Indeed Christ is the creator of heaven and earth.

Indeed there is no salvation and exaltation available to anyone without he who was foreordained to this very mission before the foundations of the earth were even laid.

Indeed we owe our very existence to our savior and redeemer Jesus Christ and his pre-mortal work in his role as creator.

Indeed, there would be no resurrection of the dead without Christ.

Indeed without his infinite and eternal atonement we could not have forgiveness of sins and be reconciled to God our Father.

Indeed he (Christ) is the savior of the whole world. For all who come unto him can be saved. His atonement is infinite and eternal and apples to all mankind with only a few exceptions.

Indeed he is God the Son who had glory with the Father in heaven before he was begotten of the Father in the flesh and has by his atonement has brought additional glory to the Father and has also received glory from the Father before he came in the flesh to this earth.

Indeed there are perhaps many more millions who may also be saved who have not believed in him while in mortality because they have not had the privilege of hearing and understanding his doctrine.

Indeed he is King of kings and Lord of lords, even alpha and omega, the first and the last, and has all power in heaven and on earth and is God the Son.
Indeed all judgement is given to him.

Indeed all who come unto him and keep his commandments may become his elect and become joint heirs with Christ and also receive all that the Father hath.

These are simply my understandings and observations and witness regarding Jesus the Christ. If you find anything stated above that is not in harmony with and not supported by scripture let’s hear it.

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onewithhim wrote: Fri Mar 11, 2022 6:03 pm
Abigail wrote: Fri Mar 11, 2022 3:09 pm
2ndpillar2 wrote: Fri Mar 11, 2022 2:50 pm
Abigail wrote: Thu Mar 10, 2022 8:42 pm I think if one first accepts the scripture as written regarding Jesus they'd ask, why would Emmanuel (God with us) come to rescue humanity from the plan God predestined us to enter into?

And why would one accept being saved from God and his judgement of the individual living as God predestined?
No one is "saved" from the "day of the LORD" (Joel 2:31-32). They merely "survive" the "great earthquake", convulsions of the earth, and the stars (one-hundred-pound hail stones)(multiheaded war heads from men) raining down on men (Revelation 16:18-21) & (Matthew 24:29). Man can either repent of the path they are on, or men will kill each other, and the earth will show its displeasure. The message that you "surely shall not die" (Genesis 3:4) is the message of the "serpent", and the message of his messenger, the false prophet Paul.
You're overlooking the pre-tribulation rapture verses that promise those who are in Christ will not endure God's great tribulation.

While those who do suffer through it will still be able to depend and attain salvation.
That "Rapture" stuff that you have been taught is not like you envision. Someone has sold you a bill of goods, so to speak. There will be a great crowd that will go through the Great Tribulation and come out ofit. (Revelation 7:9 and 14) It says that a lot of people will come OUT OF the GT, so that must mean that they were IN it . To come out of something they would have to be IN it in the first place. So righteous people will go through the GT and come out of it into Paradise on Earth. Look up what the website jw.org has to say about the Great Tribulation. What they say is scriptural.

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You should study, when it is obvious you have not yet, what is said in the scriptures, new and old testaments, regarding the great tribulation.

I don't debate from a JW perspective.
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Abigail wrote: Sun Mar 13, 2022 10:12 pm
onewithhim wrote: Fri Mar 11, 2022 6:03 pm
Abigail wrote: Fri Mar 11, 2022 3:09 pm
2ndpillar2 wrote: Fri Mar 11, 2022 2:50 pm
Abigail wrote: Thu Mar 10, 2022 8:42 pm I think if one first accepts the scripture as written regarding Jesus they'd ask, why would Emmanuel (God with us) come to rescue humanity from the plan God predestined us to enter into?

And why would one accept being saved from God and his judgement of the individual living as God predestined?
No one is "saved" from the "day of the LORD" (Joel 2:31-32). They merely "survive" the "great earthquake", convulsions of the earth, and the stars (one-hundred-pound hail stones)(multiheaded war heads from men) raining down on men (Revelation 16:18-21) & (Matthew 24:29). Man can either repent of the path they are on, or men will kill each other, and the earth will show its displeasure. The message that you "surely shall not die" (Genesis 3:4) is the message of the "serpent", and the message of his messenger, the false prophet Paul.
You're overlooking the pre-tribulation rapture verses that promise those who are in Christ will not endure God's great tribulation.

While those who do suffer through it will still be able to depend and attain salvation.
That "Rapture" stuff that you have been taught is not like you envision. Someone has sold you a bill of goods, so to speak. There will be a great crowd that will go through the Great Tribulation and come out ofit. (Revelation 7:9 and 14) It says that a lot of people will come OUT OF the GT, so that must mean that they were IN it . To come out of something they would have to be IN it in the first place. So righteous people will go through the GT and come out of it into Paradise on Earth. Look up what the website jw.org has to say about the Great Tribulation. What they say is scriptural.

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You should study, when it is obvious you have not yet, what is said in the scriptures, new and old testaments, regarding the great tribulation.

I don't debate from a JW perspective.
I have studied the Scriptures closely and often. I'm not asking you to debate from my perspective. Tell me why you believe that all Christians will be Raptured and that the Great Tribulation will be 7 years long. I was taught that when I attended the Southern Baptist churches in Miami years ago. I know exactly what you have been taught, and I was glad to rid myself of that nonsense.

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Christ is the Saviour of His elect mankind, Israel Acts 13:23

23 Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:

This is not ethnic Israel but Spiritual Israel, the Spiritual Seed of Abraham that belongs to Christ Gal 3:29

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

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